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Read the opinion and Justice Thomas got it right - Second Amendment applies through Priviledges and Immunities Clause not due process. Kagen will be a piece O'krap - She is anti-gun and .................................. Anyway, we will see how effective the ruling is in fighting dumb-a$$ laws like we have here in Kalifornia - Brady idiots think it will have no effect and virtually all the stupid laws that exist will be upheld as "reasonable" restrictions. I tend to agree but we will see. Most anything short of a complete ban will probably be upheld so I'm not sure this does much for the U.S. as a whole. Hope I'm wrong.
 

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All other things aside, Supreme Court nominee, Elena Kagan, is not a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and has long been allied with liberal, Democratic politics. Perhaps more importantly, she has little to no experience from the bench and is arguably the most "political" nomination ever made. It is very difficult to know where she stands because she has handed down no rulings. I think it would be unwise for her to be appointed to the SCOTUS.
 

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The short analysis:

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court held Monday that Americans have the right to own a gun for self-defense anywhere they live, advancing a recent trend by the John Roberts-led bench to embrace gun rights.

By a 5-4 vote, the justices cast doubt on handgun bans in the Chicago area, but signaled that some limitations on the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" could survive legal challenges.

Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the court, said that the Second Amendment right "applies equally to the federal government and the states."

The court was split along familiar ideological lines, with five conservative-moderate justices in favor of gun rights and four liberals opposed. Chief Justice Roberts voted with the majority.

Two years ago, the court declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess guns, at least for purposes of self-defense in the home.

That ruling applied only to federal laws. It struck down a ban on handguns and a trigger lock requirement for other guns in the District of Columbia, a federal city with unique legal standing. At the same time, the court was careful not to cast doubt on other regulations of firearms here.

Gun rights proponents almost immediately filed a federal lawsuit challenging gun control laws in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill, where handguns have been banned for nearly 30 years. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence says those laws appear to be the last two remaining outright bans.

Lower federal courts upheld the two laws, noting that judges on those benches were bound by Supreme Court precedent and that it would be up to the high court justices to ultimately rule on the true reach of the Second Amendment.

The Supreme Court already has said that most of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights serve as a check on state and local, as well as federal, laws.

Monday's decision did not explicitly strike down the Chicago area laws. Instead, it ordered a federal appeals court to reconsider its ruling. But it left little doubt that the statutes eventually would fall.

Still, Alito noted that the declaration that the Second Amendment is fully binding on states and cities "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values."

Justices John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, each wrote a dissent. Stevens, in his final day on the bench after more than 34 years, said that unlike the Washington case, Monday's decision "could prove far more destructive — quite literally — to our nation's communities and to our constitutional structure."

The ruling seemed unlikely to resolve questions and ongoing legal challenges about precisely what sort of gun control laws are permissible.

The response of the District to the court's ruling in 2008 is illustrative of the uncertainty.

Local lawmakers in Washington, D.C. imposed a series of regulations on handgun ownership, including requirements to register weapons and to submit to a multiple-choice test, fingerprinting and a ballistics test. Owners must also show they have gotten classroom instruction on handling a gun and have spent at least an hour on the firing range. Some 800 people have now registered handguns in the city.

Anticipating a similar result in their case, Chicago lawmakers are looking at even more stringent regulations.

But the new regulations themselves are likely to themselves be the subject of lawsuits, a fact noted by the dissenting justices Monday. Already in Washington, Dick Heller, the plaintiff in the original case before the Supreme Court, has sued the city over its new laws.

Heller argues that the stringent restrictions violate the intent of the high court's decision. So far a federal judge has upheld the limitations, but the case has been appealed.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said his politically powerful group "will continue to work at every level to insure that defiant city councils and cynical politicians do not transform this constitutional victory into a practical defeat through Byzantine regulations and restrictions."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an ardent proponent of gun control, said the ruling allows cities "to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists while at the same time respecting the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens."
 

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Hard to say about the new appointment? There are justices, like Souter and Stevens, Republicans have appointed who proved not to decide at all as their nominating Presidents anticipated. The court seems often to mold the justice as much as the reverse occurs. We'll have to see what comes up in the hearings?

I am looking forward to reading the individual decisions. I am surprised the liberals all voted nay, in light of the number of liberal politicians who joined in the Amicus brief in favor of the majority side of the decision. Their support was not, I'm sure, for the Second Amendment, per se, but for the idea Federal law can trump local law, something critical to Washington's power in general.
 

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Yup, Ralph - a good day for gun owners.

Only problem, news reports say Mayor Daley is already brewing up new laws to harass gun owners to the extent no one will want to comply or able to comply. The NRA has announced its intent to challenge anything the numbskulls can come up with.
 

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The Brady Campaign president was on anti-Foxmsbc saying they thought they could keep them upheld (I hope not). The glass half full face he was trying to put on it was that both extremes are now eliminated as legal requirements by the courts, the extremes being total bans and totally unfettered right to carry, a la Vermont. The commentators were correct in saying degrees of restriction are the next battle field.
 

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The decision was only 5 to 4. That's scarry. If any one of these 5 would have to be replaced by this president, were done on the 2nd ammendment issues. It would be 5 to 4 the other way. The trend seems to be, to attempt to pick at and nullify the constitution bit by bit, by stacking the SCOTUS with activist liberals with an agenda. So far were just trading one liberal for another. Sooner or later a conservative position will be open.
 

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The decision was only 5 to 4. That's scarry. If any one of these 5 would have to be replaced by this president, were done on the 2nd ammendment issues. It would be 5 to 4 the other way. The trend seems to be, to attempt to pick at and nullify the constitution bit by bit, by stacking the SCOTUS with activist liberals with an agenda. So far were just trading one liberal for another. Sooner or later a conservative position will be open.
I hope no one is surprised by the 5-4 and that Sotomayer was one of the 4. Nothing that's happened to this country since Nov 2008 should be a surprise. It will take a generation to bring us back...if we ever can.

For heaven's sake...vote next time.
 

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Wayne LaPierre Quote

Unexpectedly profound words:


"It is a landmark decision that must be real, practical and experienced. Supreme Court decisions must lead to actual consequences, or the entire premise of American constitutional authority collapses." Wayne LaPierre
 

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McDonald v Chicago Questions to follow.

"The difficult cases are those that are sure to follow the McDonald decision. The Court clearly said that some government regulation of guns is allowed. But how far can state and local governments go? How burdensome can their regulations be? Can they decide to allow gun ownership that will enable a homeowner to protect himself and his family in his home, but prohibit the concealed carrying of a handgun? All of these questions remain unanswered by today’s opinion that was decided by a narrow one-vote majority." Heritage Foundation

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/supreme-court-protects-second-amendment-just-barely
 

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How will this effect open or concealed carry?

> Second Amendment applies through Priviledges and Immunities Clause not due process.

Will a convicted felon, either OJ or Mark Furhman, now be able to have a handgun in their homes?
 

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For heaven's sake...vote next time.
I voted, but I feel as if my vote did not matter or even get counted.
Ballets had to be postmarked by midnight, I took mine to the post office and had it canceled while I was there, I know the mail takes a few days to get to where they count them, but later that night they were saying B.O. had won.
I know my ballet had not been able to get there and be counted so I feel like my vote was a waste of time.

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How will this effect open or concealed carry?

> Second Amendment applies through Priviledges and Immunities Clause not due process.

Will a convicted felon, either OJ or Mark Furhman, now be able to have a handgun in their homes?
4 of the 5 said "due process", Justice Thomas said "Privileges and Immunities". Heard this last night on Hugh Hewitt from the two legal guys he has on periodically. Both agreed that it didn't matter...the test will be in how future courts determine what reasonable restrictions to allow.

ante up...

btw...why shouldn't Mark Furhman have a handgun? OJ's in jail, so he can't.
 

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Well, I am confused because there is a difference between just reading the 2nd amendment as it stands, saying it applies through the Priv. and Immum. clause, and then saying not to due process.

> btw...why shouldn't Mark Furhman have a handgun? OJ's in jail, so he can't.

Mark Furhman is a convicted felon too, for lying under oath at the OJ trial. I heard him saying something to the effect he hunts with a cross bow or something now.
 

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Well, I am confused because there is a difference between just reading the 2nd amendment as it stands, saying it applies through the Priv. and Immum. clause, and then saying not to due process.

> btw...why shouldn't Mark Furhman have a handgun? OJ's in jail, so he can't.

Mark Furhman is a convicted felon too, for lying under oath at the OJ trial. I heard him saying something to the effect he hunts with a cross bow or something now.
I don't understand why we have to fight against unreasonable controls anymore than a newspaper should have to fight against government intervention in its distribution of the news. Seems crazy, but when you leave this stuff to attorneys, it begits more legal work.

BTW...I have no problem at all w/ Furhman owning a handgun.
 

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You really have to question the reading comprehension skills of the four dissenting justices. How on earth anyone could argue the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to states and local jurisdictions is beyond me. It is hard to understand how freedom of speech, freedom from unlawful search and seizure, etc., are fundamental rights but the 2nd Amendment isn't. The goofball "legal analyst" on CNN said he can't believe the court gave the 2nd Amendment the same stature as the others. Huh???? Oh yeah, and this guy is publicly stating he is a friend and classmate of Kagan. Kind of makes you question the quality of education at the Harvard Law School. How do you think the talking head would react if he was told he could speak freely in Virginia but had to wear a muzzle in downtown Chicago?

One more point. It is frustrating to read the headlines which have almost exclusively said, "Supreme Court extends gun-rights....". The SCOTUS doesn't "extend" rights - the US Constitution does. Any notion to the contrary is absurd.
 

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You really have to question the reading comprehension skills of the four dissenting justices. How on earth anyone could argue the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to states and local jurisdictions is beyond me. It is hard to understand how freedom of speech, freedom from unlawful search and seizure, etc., are fundamental rights but the 2nd Amendment isn't. The goofball "legal analyst" on CNN said he can't believe the court gave the 2nd Amendment the same stature as the others. Huh???? Oh yeah, and this guy is publicly stating he is a friend and classmate of Kagan. Kind of makes you question the quality of education at the Harvard Law School. How do you think the talking head would react if he was told he could speak freely in Virginia but had to wear a muzzle in downtown Chicago?

One more point. It is frustrating to read the headlines which have almost exclusively said, "Supreme Court extends gun-rights....". The SCOTUS doesn't "extend" rights - the US Constitution does. Any notion to the contrary is absurd.
+1...and why does everyone refer to the issue as "gun rights"? It's a basic civil right. Guns don't have rights and don't need them.
 
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