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O.K. You asked for it

I have been shooting and reloading awhile and I
Have no Idea shape versus weight versus speed
Versus design.

Let us say best is most effective in a moose say
When the object is to kill quickly at ranges of from 50 yards
to say 275 Yards. (We practice a lot at 250 Yards but
most of the moose we shoot are between 75 and 125 Yards.)

So is there any difference in the following example

300 Win vs 338 Win both shooting same bullet design
at 200 yards and both bullets are 200 grains (one 30 cal
the other 338 cal)? Speed of above is almost identical
at 200 yards with same energy, the 338 is wider
but in the same gun we know it gives more perceived recoil.

If the above is equal you are going to go with the 300,


We know incidentally that that the answer at 225 grains favours the 338 over a 300 Win at same weight because it is moving faster.

I don't think there is a formula only "I remember when stories..)

At 200 yards again

After this puppy compare 180 grains of 300 win Mag to same bullet shape for 200 grains speeds are 3118 Vs 2950 fps at
the muzzle; at 200 yards the speeds are identical.

I think this is easier but is it worth the additional recoil?

Tough questions.
Does it matter?

 

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alyeska

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300 Win vs 338 Win both shooting same bullet design
at 200 yards and both bullets are 200 grains (one 30 cal
the other 338 cal)? Speed of above is almost identical
at 200 yards with same energy, the 338 is wider
but in the same gun we know it gives more perceived recoil
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Love this hobby, I own a 300 win Mag in a Sako Model 75 SS and have spentsome real time on the gun over the past 4 years. On many occassions I have fired the same gun in 338 win mag and incidently it is not bad. I happen to agree with
your points and think that if I was buying a gun for moose
and up and I was doing it again I would labour over it and on many a day I think I would choose the 338 for moose.
Now, having said that I have had a lot of fun with the 300
and have probably put over 700 rounds through her.
She is more versitil, and incidently we think the perceived recoil with 180 grain bullets is very similar to a Remington 700
in 30-06 loaded with the same bullet, but moving 450 plus
feet per second faster.
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The Base is 10% larger at the same weight but the ballistic co-efficient of the 30 caliber is superior at 200 grains so
it actually passes the 338 shell at about 200 yards.
It is a gain versus pain question .... just know that I would
not put as many loads through a heavier gun. If you
buy a 338 I would go 250 grains. Just speculating.

How a about part 2 have fired both 180's and 200 grain
noslers, I can feel the difference, 200 grain passes the 180
at about 200 yards gain versus pain,. I have shot mostly
180's (even ground hogs out to 275 yards!) The 200 grainers
are just asaccurate, ballistically superior but no fun after
6 or 7 rounds in an afternoon. Having said that my last moose was a 4 year old Bull a Guessing 1150 lbs, my 180
grain bullet broke through the rib cage passed through the lungs and hung up in the hide on the other side. It weighed
117 grains and looks like a round ball. Perfect.... well two
nights later a Big French Canadian Guy came rushing into camp raving about a huge moose he had Killed, next day
we went to visit .... we figure 2000 lbs (my partners both are
beef farmers and keep bulls) and terrifying. I am moving up to 200 grains and I will take the Pain.The other guys are
trading in there 7mm rem Mags. for 338's. That monster bull took a 7mm Rem in the hump and it did not even bother him
He came back 1/2 an hour later coaxed in with a cow call.
They actually dropped him with a 300 win with a Hail Mary shot in the throat. He moved 50 Yards and choked. He was
hanging vertically and it was tought to measure but he was 14'4" from his bum to the tip of his front leg. Incidentally
he had something else strange no one had ever seen before.
He had only a 50" rack , but he had 2 of them! Perfect replicas of each other out of giant bases. Neat eh!
Standing below and looking up at him was terrifying and he was dead!