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Have a new Ruger Bisley Vaquero in 44 mag, bought some ultramax ammo, 240 gr lead, cowboy load to try.  Had a real problem with leading right after the forcing cone, at the start of the rifling.  So much that with 100 rds, the grooves were filled to the point of equaling the height of the  lands.   What could be causing this with factory ammo?   Accuracy went down the tubes also.  Yet after being cleaned, shot some full power JHP loads and POI was POA and accuracy was fairly good, ie 3" @ 25 yds.  Some of that was me.   Cant really see any signs of shaving lead, Would this be a case of too soft or too hard lead?<!--emo&???--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo-->  Never had this problem before.    
 

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Cheap crappy ammo.  You get what you pay for.  Their bullets are quite soft, and probably undersized.

To be fair, it is probably nearly impossible to mass-manufacture lead bullet ammo that wouldn't foul the average barrel.  Just too many variables with gun dimensions, alloys, velocity, lubes, etc.  What works great in one gun often won't shoot worth a hoot in another.

My 2 cents.
 

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OK, so where do I start in loading my own, you have a very good site, I have read about the need to "slug" your bbl, etc.   How is the best way to get started.  Looking at a Rock Chucker, or T-MagII press, will load for 44, 45acp, 223,308, and 30-30.   The 44, and 30-30 will be cast.  I am willing to invest in good equip, point me in the right direction, and where to get GOOD info on cast bullets, sizing, and lubes.   THANKS
 

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Welcome Dave,

Get a reloading manual. I suggest the new Hornady Manual that is out now and it will tell you all you need to know to get started. Funds were limited for me so I went with the Lee Anniversary Kit but the RCBS Kit sounds like your speed. It will be all the press you need with the Rock Chunker for no matter how far you go in this field.

Midway, Mid-South,Cabelas, Bass Pro all have reloading stuff and are on the WEB. I like Midway myself.

Do searches and check these sites for info and message boards for help. This one is the best for info and great timely feedback for Pistol and rifle. The first site I saw when I started was Handgun Hunting. com. I still love those guys. Go to Shooters.com for a bunch of good links.

I was where you are a year ago and it was easy with the help of great peaople as well as factory web sites to get all the info I needed. Everyone was very paitient and kept me safe and informed. Dive in the waters fine.
 

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I forgot something Dave. You may want to shoot only jacketed stuff for a while or fire lap you bore. It is possible if this is a new gun that the barrel may not be "broke in". Lead shooting is quit a science as you will see on this site and as Mike says the variales are many. There is no doubt in my mind that I will end up shooting lead in my pistols but for now I am shooting jacketed because I am learning to shoot the pistol and I don't need to spend a lot of time in load development.

I hope I never cast and I will try a lot of bullets but I am convinced that Elmer would be shooting a Beartooth LBT.
 

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That's some sage advice.  Get one of the kits from RCBS, Hornady, etc., so you get a complete set of stuff.  Most of my equipment is RCBS, but a friend bought the Hornady kit and has had good luck with it.  I've probably got at least one tool from every major brand, they all work pretty good.

Then, work on some jacketed loads first.  No point in making it hard for yourself.  As a suggestion, try to work up both a good full-power load (say, 240 - 300 grain bullet with one of the slow powders like 296/2400/H110/4227/AA#9/etc.) and a lighter, 'casual' load of 200-240 grains, with a faster powder like Bullseye/WW231/Titegroup/AA#2/etc.

When you get these loads figured out, you'll have a few hundred bullets downrange and kinda have a idea what works in your revolver.  Also you'll know what accuracy to expect.

Then, for one of the loads, pick a cast bullet of the same weight, and work up again (don't just start with the max load).  You'll know right away if your cast load is performing, without wondering if you've got the rest of the process down.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
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