I just received my supply of Beartooth bullets yesterday and would like to know if you fellers have any loads for the 185Gr fngc for my Marlin 336A,I have never loaded lead in this caliber,I also ordered 500 for my 38-55 CB and some 265 gr for my 444P any loads for the 3 guns would be greatly appreciated.I need all the help I can get!
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Assume your 336 is a .35 Rem?
If so, I doubt that you will be able to load to the crimp groove - throats are almost certainly too short. Marshall does have one bullet that will load to the crimp groove, I think it is designated "+P" as it was originally designed for loading in .38 special brass for .357 handguns. But the standard 185gr. WFNGC won't load to the crimp groove for the Marlin 336 in .35 Rem.
I have loaded some of the standard 185gr. WFNGC in my 336, with mixed results, BUT I had some accuracy problems that needed to be straightened out first (for both cast and jacketed).
What I would do first is try to discover the max OAL that will chamber in your gun (make up a few dummy rounds then find out where the rifling will just touch the bullet nose). Then, load to that length, and after seating bullets, give the case mouth a gentle bump with the crimp die, to prevent bullets from being forced into the case mouth. You would probably be well advised to get a Lee factory crimp die, which makes the issue of where the crimp groove is located, moot.
Once I straighted out my accuracy problems, I am getting less than 1 MOA with Fed. 200gr. jacketed, and just over 1 MOA with some bullets from an RCBS 200gr. GC mould, not sure which number exactly, but it's a flat nose design.
My load data was just taken from the Hodgdon manual for jacketed bullets of the same weight, and worked up using Varget.
By the way you can neck-size .35 Rem brass with a .357 carbide sizing die, which is easier when you just want to load a handful of rounds and will only be shooting them on the range. I also use a Lyman "M" expander, to help seat bullets straight.
Sorry to not provide more load data, but when I got the results I did with just one powder, didn't see the need to do much else. I have some 185gr.GC bullets also and intend to try some more loads with them, and will post results when I get more information.
There are other powders more commonly used in the .35 Rem like IMR 3031, 4895, H335, etc., but Varget was what I had on hand.
If so, I doubt that you will be able to load to the crimp groove - throats are almost certainly too short. Marshall does have one bullet that will load to the crimp groove, I think it is designated "+P" as it was originally designed for loading in .38 special brass for .357 handguns. But the standard 185gr. WFNGC won't load to the crimp groove for the Marlin 336 in .35 Rem.
I have loaded some of the standard 185gr. WFNGC in my 336, with mixed results, BUT I had some accuracy problems that needed to be straightened out first (for both cast and jacketed).
What I would do first is try to discover the max OAL that will chamber in your gun (make up a few dummy rounds then find out where the rifling will just touch the bullet nose). Then, load to that length, and after seating bullets, give the case mouth a gentle bump with the crimp die, to prevent bullets from being forced into the case mouth. You would probably be well advised to get a Lee factory crimp die, which makes the issue of where the crimp groove is located, moot.
Once I straighted out my accuracy problems, I am getting less than 1 MOA with Fed. 200gr. jacketed, and just over 1 MOA with some bullets from an RCBS 200gr. GC mould, not sure which number exactly, but it's a flat nose design.
My load data was just taken from the Hodgdon manual for jacketed bullets of the same weight, and worked up using Varget.
By the way you can neck-size .35 Rem brass with a .357 carbide sizing die, which is easier when you just want to load a handful of rounds and will only be shooting them on the range. I also use a Lyman "M" expander, to help seat bullets straight.
Sorry to not provide more load data, but when I got the results I did with just one powder, didn't see the need to do much else. I have some 185gr.GC bullets also and intend to try some more loads with them, and will post results when I get more information.
There are other powders more commonly used in the .35 Rem like IMR 3031, 4895, H335, etc., but Varget was what I had on hand.
Thanks for the reply MikeG,I don't know why I left out it was .35 rem.I found out it wouldn't crimp in the provided grove the hard way and finally got it to just touch as the action is closing.
The only other bullets I have used are the 200 grain rem corelocks that I bought in bulk,I use RL7 and get 1 1/2 groups at 100 yards with 2100 plus fps,the 24 inch barrel helps a lot.
I have the Lee factory crimp for all my lever actions,I have all the powders you mentioned plus H322, 2015BR,H4198,2520.I guess the fun is in figuring out what will get it there the straightest and fastest!!!
The only other bullets I have used are the 200 grain rem corelocks that I bought in bulk,I use RL7 and get 1 1/2 groups at 100 yards with 2100 plus fps,the 24 inch barrel helps a lot.
I have the Lee factory crimp for all my lever actions,I have all the powders you mentioned plus H322, 2015BR,H4198,2520.I guess the fun is in figuring out what will get it there the straightest and fastest!!!
help for 444 marlin, the most misunderstood cartridge in hunting. I have shot the444 for 20 yrs. h-4198 +265,300work fine, untill you get Marshall,s technical guide. Use this book as your Bible,he has doon his work, for us. I love the work on it. study and worh hard
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