Sans,It would have been a whole lot better had the author included the most sensible cartridge: the .280 Rem. And no, I don't own one.
As objective as I can be, the .308 Win might be the second most sensible cartridge for all North American big game hunting.
Are you a younger member, by any chance?I don't agree with Hawks and I stopped reading after he called the 6mm Rem something special.
The 6mm Rem and 257R mentioned after it are flops that never became popular yet linger on.
Headline 12/26/2014 Shooters ForumI think Chuck was right on with the 6mm but don't consider it light years better than the .243.
Other than that I agree with Kevin's accessment. Thank God we don't all have the same tastes or needs in firearms otherwise I'd have to throw my 25-06 and win mags in the lake.
I am too young to have been there when the old 257 R. was introduced. I did buy a new M70 in 1957 that I still have and a friend used a 257 in a 722 back in the 60's.Are you a younger member, by any chance?
The 257 Roberts was quite successful for many years. It would have been even more successful if it had been loaded to its full +P potential, in strong actions, from the time it was introduced. Frankly, since critters haven't gotten any tougher, the 257 Bob is as good as it ever was...and that means it's still a VERY good deer cartridge.
Just because it predates your interest in guns doesn't mean it wasn't successful. Also, some day you will be the old thing that seems to just "linger on"...that won't make you any less effective or valuable, either.
Happy New Year, Mr. Lee,Sans,
+1 on the .308!
Just for discussion purposes - in the game fields, inside 400 yards +/-, what will the .280 do that the .270 Win won't? I'll concede that the 7mm can launch a heavier bullet when need be, but in that dept, the 160 gr Nosler Partition in .277 is no slouch. And, the Winchester's 130 gr has long earned its deserving reputation as a consistently reliable killer on a wide variety of species, large and small.
None of this takes anything away from the .280 Remington mind you, not one bit. My favorite just differs from yours.
Amen. And Happy New Year to you Sans.Happy New Year, Mr. Lee,
I agree with you 100%. Remove 175 grain bullets from the equation, and there is no difference between the .270 Win & .280 Rem.
Due to sectional densities, the 150 grain .270 Win bullet would be equal to the .280 Rem 160 grain bullet.
I don't own a .280 Rem. I do own 2 270 Win's. I have found the .270 Win to be a very efficient and sudden big game killer. I could hunt all that I want to hunt in North America with a .270 Win, and that includes elk & moose.
OK, so you're no young'n...why is it you think the 257 Roberts was a flop? Granted, it has fallen out of favor, but in the years you mention, it was quite popular and effective. For decades, a "257" was a Roberts, and every gun nut knew it.I am too young to have been there when the old 257 R. was introduced. I did buy a new M70 in 1957 that I still have and a friend used a 257 in a 722 back in the 60's.
You have a point that if a "new" cartridge is introduced and perks up gun sales for a while that can be considered a success.
Heck the car companies have some 'new' feature every year!
Indeed! In my late teens to mid-twenties, my only centerfire rifle was a .30-30 Marlin 336 with a Weaver K2.5 scope. After a few seasons I felt the need for just a bit more reach and performance for deer hunting. I started handloading the (now discontinued) 135 grain Sierra spitzer just short enough to work through the Marlin action. Using published data designed tor the TC Contender, I worked up this Single Shot Pistol bullet to just over 2450 fps from the 20 inch barrel. Now, I only used the Marlin as a two shot repeater with that load - one in the chamber and one in the magazine. Sighted-in 3" high at 100 yards it was then on at 200 yardsThe most sensible cartridge to own is the one that works best for you...