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Considering going with a M-94 timber carbine in .444. I have a Marlin Guide gun in .45-70 but it carries and handles like a full sized cinder block! Does anyone have a timber carbine? How do you like it?
 

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Hi! I´ve owned a M-94 timber carbine since last fall and I´m totally satisfied with it. At first I found it a bit on the light side but that´s something you get used to. The factory muzzle break is loud as #### but I use active hearing protection so it doesn´t bother me (watch out it you don´´t wanna go deaf, I´d recommend Peltors Sound Trap hearing protection). I´ve used Rem factory loads, 265 gr., and they work on elk and whitetail. I´ll be trying handloads using 300gr bullets if I can get my hands on the bullets! I´ve scoped my gun with a Redfield Gold Medallion 1.5-7X and it works just fine.
 

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Shoot it only 10 times a year and it wil last a lifetime. Shoot it 450 times in 3 months and it will fall apart like mine did. Sent mine back and winchester replaced it with a new one.Of which I've shot very little(may use it for trading material).
Bought a marlin .444p. Shot it over 800 times last year. Still like new and going strong. Marlin is heavier and a helluva better rifle in quality. Malin's 1-20 twist works alot better with heavy cast bullets than winchester's obsolete 1-38 twist in the timber carbine. I own and shoot alot of winchesters.However the last 3 ea. 94's I bought were junk and had to go.  
The big bore action will take the pressure but the rest of the rifle will not. Winchester has discontinued ALL big bore leveractions.
 

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I just bought a M94 Black Shadow 444.  All the literature says 38" twist.  Ain't so.  Twist in mine is 24".  Also slugged the bore.  Bore = .424 and groove = .431.  Haven't shot it yet.

Happy,  I am curious as to what fell apart?  Screws fall out?  Magazine fall off, or what?
 

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Lets have the detail Happy, what happened to the gun? We'll see how it holds up. I suppose I will try and shoot it a good bit just to see what happens. Yes I bought one. What loads were you using? Lots of people say the Marlins are tougher, but the #### things handle like crap - I just have trouble bringing myself to carry my Guide Gun. We'll see how the Win. holds up.
 

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The forend slid forward 3/16". I took it apart, put it back, tightened everything back, shot it and it slid forward again. The stock cracked on both sides at the wrist. The magazine hanger(dovetail) came loose under the barrel and let the magazine flop about. It started randomly snapping on live rounds. All screws would work loose during a shooting session and have to be retightened. I was shooting rem. factory and reloads with 250 cast gc bullets. With the factory iron sights I could not get enough elevation to zero at 100 yards.
I am(was) a big win. 94 fan. Of late they putting out a lot of junk. ie I puchased a pack rifle in 30/30. Randomly snapped on live ammo right out of the box. Sent it back.  They said they polished the firing pin. Upon openning the box I found the stock cracked in 2 places. Shot it anyway. STILL snapped. Sent it back again with instructions that I  WILL NOT HAVE IT BACK. Waiting on a new rifle replacement or refund.  (SIGH!!&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
 

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Just for the record. I have a Win Timber Carbine that I have put over 2000 rounds through. I have not had the problems "The Happy? Kaboomer" has had. I love the size and "handiness?" of the rifle. But my @&*! involves the disassembly of the action. It is a pain in the butt to clean. It also took awhile to find an iron sight that was worth a darn.

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Hello FA18Cub,
I bought my 94 TC in Jan.'00.  Had some pretty extensive work done to it.  I, too, regret not having had the forearm attachment beefed up!  It's been my only disappointment.  I haven't put a thousand rounds through it yet but the ones I have, (200) have really put it to the test!  I use Marshall's 330g LNFPDCGGC @ 2100fps!  It does eventually cause that forearm to slip some- mine- 1/16".  I took it off and sliped/superglued a pin in the slot the barrel band screw slides through to take the play out of the band screw and the forearm hasn't slipped yet- :)  I haven't had any stock splitting yet and hope I'm home free there!  Other than the forearm problem, I really like the feel, handling, looks of it.  There's a picture of it somewhere in this forum, (poor man's Co-Pilot) so I won't  post it again.  Anyway, Best Wishes to you!
PS to Trailblazar:  I don't know why Win. put a different twist rate in their different 444 models but I haven't had any stability problems with big bullets as long as they are sized for your bore correctly.
 

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Happy - how has the replacement Timber carbine stood up to use? Sorry to hear about your problems with the first one. Your post makes me want to go buy a 1000 rounds of ammo and see what happens...I will have to see if I can get a bulk discount at the store...:)
 

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I have had good luck with my timber carbine.

with light loads it is a lot of fun to shoot. The ports take a lot of the fun out of the gun. If you hunt with a partner you need to be very careful of snap shots!

I have had no forend trouble with my winchesters, I have had two Tompson Center forends left in my hand after the tenion left the barrel. This with hard kickers like the .44 Mag with big bullets and the .357 Herrett.

Will this be your plane gun? I think it would make a good one. It would fit a ski tube nicely.
 

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I generally carry two rifles when I am out in the Cub. I have been carrying my M-70 Fthrwt .30-06 and my Guide Gun .45-70. Sometime I take my .375 BB along in place of one of them. This year I am going to try the Timber Carbine because I find for me the M-94 handles much better then a Marlin 1895. I do really like the top end loads I can use in the .45-70 though. I am suposed to pick up the Timber Carbine this week and I will try and get a bunch of rounds down range and let you all know if I have any problems.    <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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My Dad and a brother lived at Fairbanks for quite  a while and they had a Cessna 170. My dad carried a number of Winchester Big Bores while picking blueberries and fishing. He never had to use them, but had some uneasy moments.

Will you use the 300 gr. bullets at medium velocity for deep penetration or the 260/280 grain bullets for a little higher velocity with good penetration?

Watch the cross bolt safety, even with a Williams reciever sight they have a bad habit of getting engaged. We have used rubber O-rings on them to prevent thier being pushed on while slung and carried. The safties pop right out with a sharp pin to push down the ball bearing and spring, then slide it out. This leaves a hole that allows water to enter the reciever and freeze, not good.
 

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Both the Marlin and the Winchester are too long for our Luscombe!  Trappers and 1894Ps are the choices for that one.
 

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The Cub has plenty of room for full size lever guns and full size bolt guns in the extended baggage. I just like the 18" barrells on the Guide Gun and Timber Carbine/Trappers because I can strap them right to the side on my pack and stand it up behind the seat. Plus I just love the way the little guys  handle in the woods  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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When I received my second TC from winchester I scoped it and killed 2 deer with rem. factory loads. After the season went out I started shooting it a little and noticed that it wouldn't shoot a group. I discovered the tang screw loose. I tightened it and the groups came back in.
On my first one I pushed the safety off and ground it flat with the receiver and reblued it. This has worked very well with a trapper that I have.
A friend has one and he put ashley sights on it and is satisfied. He has only shot his about 20 times in the last 2 years. When I go out I may shoot my .444's 30-50 times at the sitting. All I shoot is cast loads. A 310 gc pushed by 40 grains of H4198 or a 250 gr. cast gc pushed by 46 grs. of H4198. Good luck to with your .444's no matter what the brand is. Following is some data I recorded by shooting over my Oehler 35p.

2096 fps avg-250 gr cast gc/46 gr. H4198-Marlin
1904 fps avg-310 gr cast gc/40 gr. H4198-Marlin
1997 fps avg-250 gr cast gc/56 gr. H335-Win. TC
1649 fps avg-250 gr cast gc/57 gr. 748-Win. TC
2268 fps avg-rem factory 240 gr.sp-Win TC
1795 fps avg-240 rem jsp/36 grs 2400-Win. TC
2134 fps avg-250 gr cast gc/58 gr. H335-Win. TC
1982 fps avg-240 rem jsp/53 gr. IMR3031-Win TC
 

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Happy - are any of those BTB cast loads? Do you use any of his big stuff? The 355 gr or 405 gr bullets? How about the 325 gr?
 

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Good post with good realistic loads.
I get concerned when I see refference to loads that exceed 50,000 CUP!
You can shoot like that, but not for long. Those "proof loads" really accelerate wear.

I remember reading about forend failures and magazine tubes that launched themselves off of Model 71's that were rebarreled to the .450 Alaskan and even the .348 Improved.

I'm a Luscombe guy also, I guess we need take down 1894's for the "flivers"
 

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All are bullets I cast myself. The 310 is a Lee mold and the 250 is a Saeco mold. All were cast from wheelweights and dropped from the mold into my bullet box. I use a homemade lube consisting of 60% commode wax seal & 40% canning wax melted, mixed and poured into my rcbs lubersizer. With this lube and gaschecks I get NO leading.
I haven't had the chance to shoot any of the BTB's yet.
 
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