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I was in my 20's when Mossberg introduced this 30-30 carbine. Advertised price was $99.99 which was within $20. of Marlin 336. Writers largely ignored this carbine because even then, bolt action magnums rec'd the most press.

It was well made and priced right but failed in the market place. I hope that their new model succeeds and is offered in more cartridges, too.

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Funny, mossberg. Outwardly, they copied the Marlin 336 with that rifle. The new one looks like a 94 Winchester but with a round bolt. I personally think that rifle is uglier than the marlin, and the new one to me doesn't look as good as a 94. I have also heard that the new Mossberg is prone to extractor breakages.

All that aside, it seems they shoot pretty good. Most of the reviews I've read suggest that these are a 1.5 to 2moa rifle with suitable loads, whereas a lot of winchesters in the past were probably more like 2.5 to 5moa. But accuracy is relative and 4moa for a lever action hunting rifle which will be used on large game is perfectly adequate anyway!
 

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I can make some comments about the 464 since I've owned one for
over a year and have shot it extensively.

In the early production runs the extractors did break. Mine is above #4,000
and has no sign of failing. (It didn't take Mossberg very long to fix this problem.)

As has already been reported, the loading port has extremely sharp edges. The
ideal way to round the offending metal is with a Dremel tool. (This is mandatory
and should be taken care of during production.)

The excellent Skinner peep sight is available, and no other peep sight is yet made
for this Mossberg as far as I know. Thanks to one of the members on this forum
I was able to know this sight existed. In their brochures Mossberg would greatly
help owners by furnishing this information.
 

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I was in my 20's when Mossberg introduced this 30-30 carbine. Advertised price was $99.99 which was within $20. of Marlin 336. Writers largely ignored this carbine because even then, bolt action magnums rec'd the most press.

It was well made and priced right but failed in the market place. I hope that their new model succeeds and is offered in more cartridges, too.

TR

Say one of the old models at a gun show , a while back .

I suspect the new ones will have to come down in price to compeat with the Marlin .30-30's ?

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Mossberg now offers a 30-30 carbine with curved pistol grip and lever - reminds me of the Winchester Legasy series.

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The 472 was singularly unique in that the trigger remained within the lever during operation. Much like the Winchester 88 but different lock up design.

The 472 would've likely been a better seller if offered back in 1900 - 1965, when lever action carbines were more respected by the shooting press.

Since 1965, the focus upon bolt action magnums has been incredible.

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Has anyone had any experience with the New Haven 679? Near as I can tell it is a relabeled Mossberg 472. I have one that was locking up when I first got it. Lever would just freeze, unless you really worked it hard. I oiled it and it seems to be better now, but I haven't shot it. The sights look crooked, like it maybe got dropped at some point, so I was thinking of putting a receiver mounted peep sight on it.
 

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...accuracy is relative and 4moa for a lever action hunting rifle which will be used on large game is perfectly adequate anyway!
I guess it all depends on where you hunt, how long your typical shot is and what you expect from a gun. I know very few people, especially these days, who would be satisfied with a 4" group at 100 yards. One of the reasons to shoot a gun that is considerably more accurate than that is because shooting from field positions, while under the stress of having your quarry in front of you, makes it impossible to shoot as well as you do from a bench rest. If the best your gun is capable of, from the bench, is 4" groups, you're going to be pushing things to not wound something while in the field.

Just my .02...anybody else out there think 4 MOA is "perfectly adequate" for hunting?
 

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I guess it all depends on where you hunt, how long your typical shot is and what you expect from a gun. I know very few people, especially these days, who would be satisfied with a 4" group at 100 yards. One of the reasons to shoot a gun that is considerably more accurate than that is because shooting from field positions, while under the stress of having your quarry in front of you, makes it impossible to shoot as well as you do from a bench rest. If the best your gun is capable of, from the bench, is 4" groups, you're going to be pushing things to not wound something while in the field.

Just my .02...anybody else out there think 4 MOA is "perfectly adequate" for hunting?


My understanding is 4" or better is just about the SOP for the worlds military for main battle rifles , for 2 legged deer .

On another note , it would depend on the common distance the game shots are taken . The deer hunter taking 50 - 100 yard shots , 4" is probably OK .

The hunter in high country taking a shot from one side of a valley to the other , probably not .

If I understand it right , some states , the deer hunter has to use a shot gun ?

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