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I nearly purchased on a whim a new Savage in 6.5 x 284. I wish I had. It is an excellent cartridge. If you want to go a little over bore, a 6.5 x 06.
 

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I went with the CM .. just because. I needed something with a little less kick than my M70 in 3006.. some shoulder surgery opted the change. I went with a Tikka Hunter SS, I like the looks and it has some great reviews. I wont review it just yet because I've not shot it enough yet to warrant that . But its showing great promise

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I nearly purchased on a whim a new Savage in 6.5 x 284. I wish I had. It is an excellent cartridge. If you want to go a little over bore, a 6.5 x 06.
I had a 6 X 63 (essentially a 6mm-06). Had it re-bored after some chamber and throat issues.

Of course when I start thinking of a new rifle, the real world comes crashing down. I own another house in Florida that I use as a rental. It has been a nice earner for us...but the current tenant has not been able to pay either May or June...my wife just tells me this today. Property Management Company has informed us that because of COVID legislation, late penalties and eviction notices won't be allowed in Florida until August...and that might change in favor of the tenant. I hope the tenant is really just having some problems and not taking advantage of the situation. My step-son lives close by, so I hope he can evaluate the situation.

We have also been unable to sell our last house since we moved here in October...not a huge problem, but combined with the loss of income from the Florida house, I need to go into frugal mode.

I will still lust over the rifles I want...and maybe be able to make a more informed choice.

I hope all this will sort itself out in the next few months. Oh...and to top it off, I had to have a new alternator and battery today. Yay!!
 

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While it all depends on what you want to hunt & shoot I just have to add my preference. I settled on the .250 Sav and used that for decades. Not really an elk rifle but it punches way out of its weight class. If you don't mind recoil I can heartily recommend the .338 Win mag. The 6.5s never interested me.
 

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I have a 264 and a Swede. If I were looking for another I think I might go 260 rem. But my Swede dose very well in the Mod 70 ftw. So unless I run across the I can't pass it up deal I'm set for now.
I read somewhere that the .260 is about 100 fps. faster than the CM, bit the .260 needs a little faster twist rate to shoot those long bullets.
 

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I read somewhere that the .260 is about 100 fps. faster than the CM, bit the .260 needs a little faster twist rate to shoot those long bullets.
They both shoot the same bullets, so why would one need a faster twist? In fact, a bullet that leaves the barrel at a higher velocity in the same twist actually spins faster, which means it's twist requirement would be less. This is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you just stated. This is just another example how misinformation gets spread. When a comment starts with, "I read somewhere", "Someone said", "A salesman at the gun shop told me" I want to say, if you don't know or don't understand what you are talking about, stop repeating the B.S.
 

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I believe that he is referring to the fact that most 260 Remingtons are set up with a slower twist from the factory compared to the CM. When the 260 came out I don't think they planned it for the heavy for caliber bullets like the CM was specifically designed for.
 

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They both shoot the same bullets, so why would one need a faster twist? In fact, a bullet that leaves the barrel at a higher velocity in the same twist actually spins faster, which means it's twist requirement would be less. This is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you just stated. This is just another example how misinformation gets spread. When a comment starts with, "I read somewhere", "Someone said", "A salesman at the gun shop told me" I want to say, if you don't know or don't understand what you are talking about, stop repeating the B.S.
One would think that to be true, but, (there's always a but) in experiments with my 1:9 1/8" (measured) . 243 700VLS I found the it not to be as true and in fact a misleading thought.

In trying to get the 108 grain Hornady ELD Match to shoot (which is made for 1:8 min. twist, says so on the box) I tried copious amounts of the slowest recommended powders available to get more RPM ( hence, velocity AND pressure) to stabilize that bullet. At a chronographed 215 fps faster than book velocity I was gaining but there was no more room for powder and that loooong bullet AND I was losing patience, powder and primers that could be better spent on prairie dogs.

Accepting a one moa group from an under 1/4 moa rifle, trying to shoot match bullets was, well, unacceptable and this rifle will shoot 58 grain Vmax's (way over spun and with the *wrong powder) at, if memory serves, 3750 fps, into a hole that won't allow a pencil . . . . . . . .

Anyways.

RJ

*wrong as in not recommended by the distributor
 

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Your experience agrees with the physics. It is not the rpm of the bullet but the rpm verses the air pressure on the bullet. RPM increases linearly with velocity but the pressure increases at the square of velocity. The dynamic loads increase faster than the rpm does. That load decreases the stability of the bullet. Temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure all affect the stability with any given spin. (something rimfire target shooters are very familiar with when shooting at cold temps in low humidity conditions)
 

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JW,

When the economics allow you to pursue your rifle dreams again, there is another reason for purchasing the 6.5 CM, and that is Jeff Copper's Scout Concept criteria that the rifle you choose be a military caliber for the availability of surplus ammunition (and components for we handloaders, obviously). There have been several articles about the military adopting the 6.5 CM as a new medium-power cartridge for sniping, assault rifles, and machine guns, and SOCOM has been gradually bringing them in since 2017. So eventually military ammo and brass will come to be available.

(See the Wikipedia 6.5 Creedmoor page, last section on military use.)
 
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I vote 6.5 Creedmoor, it's really easy to load for, it's inherently accurate, and the recoil is really light. With a good brake on it, even the most recoil sensitive shooters should be fine.

I currently have a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. It's cheap and it feels like it. The stock is garbage, The action isn't smooth(although breaking it in with lapping compound helps), and has an odd sort of controlled round feed, which is a pain in the butt for me since I single load a lot while testing loads, and the trigger sucks. Aside from that, it's a $400 rifle that is hitting way above it's weight class in the accuracy department. Mine makes easy work of an Ipsc silhouette target at 1000 yards, even shooting cheap factory Winchester soft points. I managed a group just under 1.5" at 285 yards with hand loads (143gr eld-x) right before my scope gave up. Now that's only one group, and an exceptional one at that, but it's not far off from the average group from this rifle.

As for the Mossberg Patriot, all I know is that I really want a Mossberg Patriot Revere.
 

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I currently have a Ruger American Predator.......and has an odd sort of controlled round feed,
Ehhhhh.,.. No.
The American line is pure push feed. Maybe seeing a third lug has you confused?
 

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Ehhhhh.,.. No.
The American line is pure push feed. Maybe seeing a third lug has you confused?
My mistake. You are correct, I just confirmed it's a push feed. What made me think it was controlled round was the fact it is a real pain in the butt to single feed without putting the round in the magazine. I just figured it was controlled round with a push style ejector. I think it's just the angle the cartridge enters the chamber that causes issues single feeding.
 

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Could be.
I jumped ship and went to a MDT and AI mags long ago, Feeds fine enough if you toss a cartridge in the port.

But none of my Hawkeye's struggle to do that either.

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Could be.
I jumped ship and went to a MDT and AI mags long ago, Feeds fine enough if you toss a cartridge in the port.

But none of my Hawkeye's struggle to do that either.

Cheers
I think I am going to jump ship on the Ruger American all together. It works well enough, but I think I want something a little more refined.
 

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It's the combination of chambering (throat/freebore) and bullet characteristics (dia./weight/length) that make the 6.5 Creedmore accurate. All calibers have an accuracy envelope, some very small others large which are the easy ones to reload and are classified as inherently accurate. The easiest way to get an accurate rifle is to start out with an accurate caliber like the 6.5 Creedmore then buy the best you can afford. There are many other possibilities but a lot more trial an error is involved. Some reloaders relish the he challenge of making a caliber shoot accurately and prefer to work with obsolete, hard to find or wildcat calibers. That's why they sell new barrels in every conceivable caliber.

Regardless, there is no substitute for a well made rifle whatever the caliber. If a gun seems "cheap" or unrefined to you, it's something you'll likely never get over no matter how accurate. Its like a finely crafted sportscar, it may not be any faster than some SUV, but its a lot more fun and pleasurable to drive.
 

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I think I will go with a CM or a 7-08. I like em. Computer is missing some keys, So I am limited to what I can type. Missing my n ad b. have to copy ad paste...sucks.
 
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