[mjyeagle]

i just ordered some molds from midsouth shooters supply they are 255 gr and 158 gr semi wad cutter both gas check the ray tompson design does anybody have experance with these molds they will be shot out of a m 94 45 colt and 357 revolver i hope to get the 45 to 1900 fps i get around 1650 with the lee 300 gr rf gc and 1450 with the lyman 325 lfn gc i use h 110/w296 or lil gun for these loadings anybody try to push this bullet this fast and if so what powder i need to do some research on loading data for these bullets if you have not seen midsouth shooters supply check out their prices i will post results when i get some cast loaded and shot

 

[William Iorg]

I have shot the 368156 for years in the 38 Spl and the 357 Magnum and in our 21" 357 Maximum - with lighter loads. My mold is a hollow point mold and shoots well in my S&W revolvers. I load to 1,330 fps in the 6” Model 27 with better accuracy than I can generally shoot. The 358156 is a rather easy bullet to work with. Winchester 296 and Alliant 2400 are my starting powders - Hodgdon 110 is the same as 296 for me.
I have not shot the 452490 but I do shoot the 452424 and it shoots well in our Winchester Trapper - but I have attempted to equal your velocity goal with this weight bullet in our 16“ Trapper. In the 20” barrel Winchester, 27.0 grains of Hodgdon 110 will top 1,900 fps. I have seen this load shot but have not loaded it for myself.
Until Marlin Collector and John Kort got me to looking at the heavy bullet 45 Colt loads for the rifles I was content with handgun loads. John Kort can teach you a lot about bullet fit with the 45 Colt rifles. The throats are much larger than you might think on all of the current 45 colt rifles.

]EDIT I forgot to mention that for the heavy bullets - above 320-grains Hodgdon Lil Gun is pretty much the clear winner for accracy and power.

 

[mjyeagle]

my molds are here i have cast greased and sized at least 100 i worry about 45 colt does not have enough case capicty to use h110/296 it may work but i see it being very dirty and inconistant in my 16 in tube was thinking blue dot but that is a temp sensitive powder i have loaded over 16.5 with a 295 gr bullet with good results but in 60 degree temp i know aa no 7 is close to b dot but have almost no experance with aa powder only 75 rds with 357 is aa no 7 temp sensitive 2400 was also a thought but is very dirty for me without max loads i found some data for 2400 at 18.5 but that seems very light for 255 grs i have loaded 17.3 over a 335 a mild load in my gun any suggestions would be welcome thanks for your time

 

[William Iorg]

I am assuming we are discussing the 454424.
I have not found Hodgdon 110 or Winchester 296 to be dirty in handguns or revolvers.
For your 16” barrel 25.0 grains of h110 will give you a rough 1,550 fps. You will find this a good load in the Winchester trapper.
19.0 or 19.5 grains of Aliant 2400 will perform well in your Trapper. 19.5 grains of Alliant 2400 gives us 1,475 fps and a good accuracy. You will see some powder residue in your barrel but it will brush out without a problem.
24.0 grains of Hodgdon 4227 will give you 1,530 fps but I have found this load to be crimp sensitive.
If you have Alliant Reloder7, 27.0 grains will just break 1,500 fps and gives us excellent accuracy.
We have two 45 Colt rifles, a Winchester trapper and a Taurus pump. Both are great fun to shoot, even if they are good for different load levels.

[EDIT] I forgot to mention. Load you cast bullets as large as possible for the lever action 45 Colt rifles. All of the lever action 45 Colt rifles have a large throat. Forum Member John Kort has looked into this and your Winchester should chamber bullets up to .4585" without diffivulty. We shoot our bullets as cast and either tumble lube or hand lube them.

 

[NHLever]

I would not start with Blue Dot to try to achieve higher velocities with the .45 Colt, especially out of a rifle. You will be best served with H-110/W-296, 4227, or A-2400 for those kind of loads. When I had my Marlin 45 Colt Cowboy ( dumb thing to sell that one!) I found that H-110 worked best for me with both the 255 gr., and 300 gr. cast bullets. It burned very clean, was accurate, and produced the highest velocities. I think you will get pressure spikes, and erratic performance if you try to come close to those velocities with Blue Dot.

 

[MikeG]

I had a 24" Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt, once upon a time. My Ruger-level handloads would put a 300 grain bullet out the end of the barrel at ~1700 fps. Killed on both ends!!! Never did hunt with it before selling it but I am pretty confident it would have killed anything I pointed it at in Texas.

My experience with WW296 and 255gr. bullets in a .45 Colt revolver was poor. Big fireballs! Only tried it once though so with some load tweaking, it may have possibly been improved. But I didn't have the motivation to go further. In a closed breech gun it may work substantially better. However I suspect that 2400 may be a better choice with the lighter (less than 300gr. / .45 cal) bullets? Just a thought.

In a .357 and with 158gr. bullets, H110 should be fine. It won't burn real consistent till the top end loads, so work up carefully. If you don't want to run full throttle, then again, a different powder may be in order.


Have fun.

 

[MMichaelAK]

I tried BlueDot in the .45Colt with 250 grain lead RNFP bullets. In the revolver I was getting 820 fps with 11.75 grains of BlueDot and only 1020-1055 out of a Puma M92 Carbine. For .45 Colt Rifle loads Id look for a slower powder than BlueDot.
Im planning on trying 2400 next.

 

[recoil junky]

I have the 358156 mold as well. Rather than use WW296/H110, I'd use 2400. Much easier to work up loads with as it's not so load sensitive especially with cast bullets. I run I believe 14 or 15 grains of 2400 with mine, but don't trust my memory, look in a manual. 3.5 grains of Bullseye makes a very good plinking load with that bullet as well.

You might also look at the 170 grain 358421 mold. I use it as well. It's a smaller version of the 429421 that I've used a ton of through my Redhawk. The best part? NO GAS CHECKS!!

RJ

 

[William Iorg]

What 357 handgun are you shooting? I would not want to post N-frame or Blackhawk information on a Model 19 thread...

 

[mjyeagle]

as promised here is my range report first my 357 needs some cylinder work so i have kind of set that aside untill i get time to ream out the cylinders getting a new 45 colt blackhawk does not help the situation i found how from looking at a bunch of uncle nicks post i like his posts a very smart guy for revolvers now to the 45 i loaded bluedot not good 19gr aa#5 very good h110 very good but 27 gr only gave me 1696 avg witch i know is plenty for game the best load was 25.8 gr lil gun too windy for velocity # it said error over ond over but i punched a 1/2 in hole in 1/4 in steel plate very easily with 28 shots at 95 yds i kept them in a 4in circle all around or on the bullseye iron sights this was with the lil gun and h110 loads i shot i also shot some out of my new blackhawk they are brutal with the foctory grips but very accurate new grips on friday from midway i will not shoot any +p loads untill they go on the gun do not replicate load data this is very carefully worked up over timeforgot to mention all primers were cci 350's starline and horniday brass i will get some velocity #'s and post them when it is not so windy

 

[haysb]

Recoil Junkey :

You might also look at the 170 grain 358421 mold

I believe you may be referring to the 358429 at 170 grs. There is no 358421 at that weight.

 

[Pigslayer]

Check out the Lyman 452490. 255 gr. GC. I shoot it in my Ruger Blackhawk. It's a good shooter. With a gas check you can push the velocity.