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"Bad Joke Friday" Dan (moderator emeritus)
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To all of those honest enough to admit they watch TV instead of casting another thousand bullets----

I've recently noticed several articles about the upcoming PBS mini-series that shows pioneering was not all it's cut out to be, that is, it's very, very handwork with many risks. The series is called "Frontier House" and is on at 8 PM (CST) on this coming Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.  Three families have been closen and received weeks of training, with family members ranging from 8 to 68 years old. The total of 13 people lost an aggregate of close to 200lbs. during the five months. The article in this mornings paper closes with the following words; "In 'Frontier House,' it's the youngest of them all, 8-year-old Logan Patton, of Tennessee who grins at an off-camera interviewer and says, "Y'all are 21st-century slackers!"

Me thinks the kid has a point and I'm going to watch to find out.

Dan



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Is this something new? Does it burn oil or can use wood?
Tell me more about TV......I'll check later after I size and lube the 1,000 45 Colt slugs.
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Actually you bring up an interesting point, "will these hardy souls be shown spending time casting their hunting bullets?"   Unless they're all vegetarians, they'll need a little meat on the table, but will the TV management allow that to be shown?

Anyhow, from a 21st century slacker to arkypete, "Take the weekly dip in the creek, fresh patched bib overalls, and go into Walmart at 8PM this Monday, you'll enjoy it".

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Dan,

Sounds like your Wal-Mart has the same people in it that mine does! Sometimes I think of Ned Beatty in Deliverance and get veeeery worried.
 

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Bill,

Boy does that bring back memories. During the scene with Mr Beatty, if I'd had my trusty 1911, I'd stood up and filled that movie screen full of lead. I'm sure you know the fella that played the sheriff was James Dicky, the author of the book.

I also well remember my first motorcycle trip through those backwoods. Tin roofed shacks, mean looking fellas on the porch with their dogs, who they turned loose to help us hurry along. We had a mutual agreement that if one motorcycle broke down, it stayed there and we doubled up. As I remember, they didn't return our friendly waves either. The first night we stayed in a state part and got to know the people next to us -- a school superintendent and family. We asked him what do those people do for a living and he said, "I've lived here all my life and I don't know and don't want to know."

But then, these remarks are from a boy that was raised on a farm without electricity or plumbing and went to a one room school until high school. I'd never seen a football or basketball game and I don't want to talk about my skill(s) with the ladies. When we finally got a telephone, my number was three longs and two shorts.

Woops, sorry there, but those memories kinda flooded back there for a moment.

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Frankly the good folks round these parts avoid Walmart, not much there and not a pleasant clientel and even less pleasant staff.
Now I'm going to put the candle in back of that box and see what I can see.
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There was a comedian who said that he had just one word for those who think living in the past was a better than today -- "dentistry."

Charlie

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The mini series sounds interesting. DOK makes an intersting point about about if thay will show these people using firearms for hunting. I was wondering about that myself when I first heard of this show. We all know back then guns were used every day for hunting as well as self defense. I can't see how thay can not show it. But I am sure the politicly correct socialists will figure out a way to keep guns out of the show. I can already hear the animal rights nuts screaming if thay show someone killing a deer. It would be nice if I am wrong.
 

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The chances of seeing a rifle fired or bow drawn on PBS are about the same as Bill Clinton being a faithful husband. Nevertheless I'll check it out just for this reason alone, to see how they tap dance around the subject.

OOPS! Looks like I'll watch the first two episodes. Wednesday 8:OO is Enterprise night and nothing interferes with that!



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Bill,

I'm sure the Enterprise's Science Officer doesn't have anything to do with your viewing selection?
The Vulcan has her work cut out for her if she's going to make the scientific / mission contributions that Borg experienced Seven-of-Nine make!

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Dan,

Actually pouty-lipped models never did a thing for me. Now Hoshi the Comm Officer, that's a different story. <!--emo&:0--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->

Seriously though I really like the show a lot. Yes I'm a Star Trek enthusiast from way back. Never owned a pair of pointed ears or anything silly like that, I just enjoy the programs and movies. The writing has been much better than ST:TNG first year, that's for certain.

As an aside, how do you know Jonathan Archer is Starfleet's greatest Captain? Because he has a beagle that's how!



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Bill,

That's funny, I didn't even notice they had lips! Anyway, I've seen all the movies and most of the TV shows. While probably the corniest of the original Star Trek movies, I most enjoyed Spock's problems with adapting to some of our modern characters while they were saving the whales. Now that you've got me thinking along these lines, I think I'll watch "Blade Runner" again this evening.

Wonder what everyone is going to do with their casting moulds when we all have phasers?

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Aaah, Blade Runner... now there's a movie.

The Voyage Home is arguably my favorite ST movie. Blasting Klingon cruisers is cool in its own right but I really enjoy cerebral and "oddball" sci-fi. When Kirk says "Double dumb-*** on you!" with a perfectly straight face I can't help but chuckle. I'm really looking forward to the new movie Nemisis, starring my favorite bad guys the Romulans.
 

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I think Star Fleet should consider going back to using coventional firearms. It seems that when ever thay encounter some hostile alien force there phasers are deactivated or ineffective. I remember that seen in one of the Star Trek movies when Picard took out several Borg wih a Thompson sub machine gun when there phasers would not work. I bet a 45-70 with a 400gr hard cast bullet would be a good Borg load.
 

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Erick,

Collectively, the Borg were pretty tough opposition, but I think you could use a .22 rimfire as they sure seem to just stand/saunder around a lot whenever Star Fleet got about their vessel(s)?

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A .22 would probably work just fine but I still think a 45-70 would be alot more fun. Could never figure out how there weapons won't penetrate but thay could board the ships so easily.
 

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Well getting back to this thread's initial subject, I just finished the first two hours of the Frontier House. After seeing the Clunes I have but one more reason to wish for "the big one" to hit California. What a bunch of whining babies! I like the other two families, in fact the father and son from Boston seem to be getting along just fine in a very quiet way. It will be interesting to see how the new bride works out in the mix. The family from Tennessee shows just what good folk are about. Unfortunately according to the t.v. guide in my Sunday paper the Glenns have split and filed for divorce. A shame.

As to guns and hunting, what a crock! You can't tell me Montana couldn't allow these people to take a couple of deer or sage grouse. And the guns they gave 'em- Izmash doubles! The one good moment for the Clunes was when the old man lamented the Russian shotguns compared to his original, engraved Low Wall.
 

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Bill,

My first question was going to be, did everyone  yell at the TV as much as I did? The Clunes, so far, have been a ..... well I can't print it. I agree, the two gentlemen from Boston have been excellent, with the possible exception of the older gentleman's comment about no need for the necessary evil (guns). It's interesting that the Tennessee couple split because my conclusion was that I'd take her with me to start my Montana sojourn.  

The previews for the next show seems to indicate that the new bride to be isn't going to like it very much. Quite frankly, much of what they did isn't that much different from what we did on the farm, every morning and every night. And we cut wood for the furnace because coal cost too much, but enough of that talk.

But when all is said and done, Montana is the star of the show, just plain beautiful.

Dan



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The old man from Boston, is your typical, liberal Boston dunce. His remark about no one needing those necessary evil firearms -- 'cause he had been a probation officer, or some such, in Boston-- was idiotic.  In 1883, that old fool would not have lasted one month in Montana.  Maybe not two weeks.

And it was not the "old man" who brought the rifle with him, it was the Malibu man. The producers wouldn't let him use it, yet in 1883, virtually EVERY pioneer family would have had a heavy rifle, in addition to a shotgun, not only for protection from bandits and Indians, but for hunting deer, elk, antelope, bear, and anything else they could put on the table to survive.

Still, an interesting show... but I could get along without all the whining.

Of course, the settlers of 1883, would already have known how to build a log cabin, handle and take care of animals, take care of and properly use their tools, how to hunt, how to plow and farm, how to use their Dutch Ovens and wood cook stoves, etc., etc.

Another thing is in 1883, the people would have known how to ration their food, which came mainly in bulk. These "modern pioneers" are used to just going down to Albertson's every couple of days and buying whatever they need for the meal that night.

Nevertheless, I'll watch the rest of the series, and just try and ignore the whining.

L.W.
 
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