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Whenever I go to buy a firearm and fill out the mandated form, I never get an instant OK. I usually have to wait 24-36 hours. Every time. This is not only a nuisance, it keeps me from buying from a dealer at gun shows or from buying out of town. I have a concealed carry permit, so it's not like I'm on the 'Most Wanted' list. Has anybody got any suggestions on how to rectify this annoying situation? Who can I complain to? (Not my elected representatives, they are the most liberal senators in Washington). Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
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DMC,
I am under the understanding that SOME states have passed legislation allowing a "carry" permit to be in effect, a background check that applies to new dealer purchases. In other words you present your permit when making a transaction. Perhaps you could encourage legislation at the state level for something of this nature. Also, by all means support in any way that you can, reforms/NICS enhancements at the federal level.
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Hello DMC, I live in Nevada and also have a concealed weapons permit. My permit counts as a back ground check for buying a firearm . Other states can do this if thay want but won't. Waiting 36 hours for the background check to go through is deliberate harrassment. If a cop pulls you over thay can run a complete check on you INSTANTLY for any current warrants or crimminal past. So why is it that police departments and local governments claim it takes so much longer for buying a gun?
 

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The county (Linn) that I live in Iowa has a simple solution. You go to the sheriff's office and give them $5 and they run a background check and within 5 days you will receive a paper that fits neatly in your billfold that clears you for gun purchases for one year ---- the background check at time of purchase is as simple as showing the form. I simply stop down at the sheriff's office two weeks before the current one expires. Minor inconvenience once a year, but sure beats waiting at the time of purchase. Why not ask your sheriff if they can upgrade their operation. Just tell them that if Iowa can do it, they sure should be able to!

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I've never had a delay in Alaska.  10 minutes from the time I say, "I'll take it" the background check is done, the gun paid for and I'm headed home.  Kinda surprised me that it is that efficient.

The last time, the dealer "requested" that I did put my ss# on the form, he said it would go faster.  It used to be required up here and our driver's license had it on there anyway (the new DL's don't), so I'm sure they already have it on record.  You might fill that in, unless you are uncomfortable giving that information out.



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To buy a handgun here in NY, I go to the gun store, put down a deposit on my handgun of choice, bring the bill of sale/deposit from the dealer to the county building pistol license clerk, fill out a form there describing the gun/serial number and such, go home and wait a week to ten days. Go pickup the "ticket", which is signed by a county judge, at the clerks office where she also writes the info down on my permit describing gun and serial number. Take the ticket back to the dealer with the bill of sale/deposit slip, he runs the national instant check on me, (if it is down or a delay I go home and come back another day of course) I fill out a 4473, pay the remainder and then take the gun home.

Addendum: We also have the new RINO passed ballistic finger print law now. Any new gun shipped into the state must have two fired shell casings supplied with it or the dealer has to take the gun to a state police "test" center to have the gun fired by them. They keep the cases. Another useless provision which after two years has revealed exactly ZERO guns used in any crime.

All very simple and convenient, NOT.

Meanwhile, Joe dirtbag buys a handgun from someones trunk in about 5 minutes.

None of this describes the actual process you go through when you actually apply for the pistol permit in the first place. I'll describe that some day when I have more time.

Glad to have this "reasonable" gun control.


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In New Jersey you must first fill out and apply for a firearms ID card. This includes a backround check with 1] the FBI, 2]NJ State Police, 3] area psych hospitals and 4] your local PD.(This is all part of step 1)  All this for about $70.00
 Say your approved, and you want to purchase a NEW rifle.  You fill out the ATF yellow, a Certificate of Eligibility[ rechecks the ATF form] and the store calls the State Police to do the NICS check, the very same info that is part of the ID card requirements.  If your approved, you pay $15.00 for NICS, and That completes (step 2.)
 Now, if you want to buy a hand gun, you fill out the SAME form as step 1, only you check pistol purchase, and they check the same info as step 1 again.  If your approved which can take up to SIX months in some towns, you pay $2.00 per permit.[step 3]    

 You hotfoot it down to the local goodie store, where, you fill out the ATF yellow agian, the Eligibility form again, they call the State police to do NICS again( the same info that they already checked with the original Firearms ID & the Pistol permit)Pay your $15.00 again and take the gun home.
 
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BUT---- if you buy a rifle from anybody "in state", none of this info is required, short of the original ID card!!!    <!--emo&:angry:--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'><!--endemo-->
 

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Hi, Guys:
  The Canadian situtation is surprizingly easy now if you've got your paperwork in order. You can take a handgun home half an hour after you walk in the door. This is faster than it's been since handgun registration started in 1934 and I'm amazed, no, astounded. You need the old FAC (Firearm Acquistion Certificate) or the new PAL (Possession & Acquistion License) and be a handgun owner. The dealer phones the Feds (Canadian Firearms Centre) and they pull up your file and ask you about everything but your sex life. I suppose that's to confirm that the PAL is really mine. If you pass, you're issued a ATT number (Authorization To Transport) and you lay down your loonies and take the gun home.

  First time buyers have to take the Firearm Safety and Restricted Firearm Safety courses, get a PAL and have a valid reason to own. Usually that means joining a gun club with an approved range. Needless to say, things don't always go smoothly.

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DMC,
After reading all of the responses to your question(all very interesting) I had to write again with one other thought, or rather belief(mine, although you and others may agree) I really believe that most supporters for "gun control" know that their proposals will do nothing to reduce crime in any way, shape or form. They(supporters) simply want to tie you and i up with so much frustration and red tape that we simply give up on our right to own guns.Frankly i have no problem with a backgound check as long as it is instant and has a friendly proccess to appeal if one is wrongfully denied "approval". Further more, there must be some safeguards from the "system crashing"(if some great event occurred that caused people to rush to buy guns etc. you can bet that the "system will be down"). I think the way DOK's county Sherriffs Dept. handles the issue is perhaps one of the more desirable ways to handle the issue.
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In West Virginia, the way it's supposed to work is, you go into the gun store & fill out the yellow form. The dealer then calls your info in to get the instant check, gets the ok while he's on the phone & you walk out with your firearm. And believe it or not it usually works that way. Except for some of us lucky individuals that are delayed every time, & as you've probably guessed by now I'm one of those. I have a conceiled carry permit & would think I would fly right through, but I'm always delayed at least 20 minutes & sometimes as long as 48 hours. Dealers tell me they don't know why but some people are delayed every time.
 

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Here in sunny Kalifornia state law supercedes federal law(?) concerning firearms purchases. There ain't no instant background check! You fill out the forms, wait ten days, then you may pick up your gun. The posession of a CCW has no bearing on the situation. You know this time allows you to "cool off" while you consider whether or not you really need the gun. Now, isn't that thoughtful? I sure am glad I live in a state that really cares about me. NOT!!!
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Well guys, I see that some others have problems too. When I said "background check", I was referring to the OK from the ATF yellow form. This is the only paperwork we have here. I used to put in my SSN until a local dealer said that he had heard that leaving it off would speed things up. I tried. It didn't. Still over 24 hours for the instant approval. This is really a hassle. Contender, I used to live in NY, so, compared to you I got it easy! Thing is, it isn't the state giving me the runaround, it's ATF. The state renews my carry permit in about 2 hours each year and most of that time is waiting for the clerk to make up my new card.
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NY (believe it or not) works the way it's supposed to for long guns -- 5-10 minutes extra a checkout.  

Let's not talk about pistols...
 

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Charlie Z,

As creative as the New Yorkers are, I'd think they could come up with a few simple solutions that would reduce if not eliminate the handgun problems. I would hazzard a guess that the primary problem with the handgun is concealment. Then pass a law that requires everyone to go around naked. It would eliminate the consealment problem except for really fat people, and that's a problem for Richard Simmons! Everyone should have to wear a large thermometer type device that indicated their current blood pressure. The device would indicate their at normal pressure readings and the current readings. If the current pressure readings pass a certain level, a siren goes off and they're taken "downtown". Thus anyone getting ready to commit a crime would stand out and be stopped before hand. On second thought, the time I've spent in New York, New York and listened to the whisles, sirens and shouts, that might not work so well. But I do think the naked bit has a lot of promise --- in more ways than one. Crime would down and ...... maybe I'd better not go there.

By the way, that "downtown" that all the TV shows refer to, "you can talk here, or you can talk downtown!", sure must be a tough, scary place. That threat always seems to be a real conversation starter.

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You still didn't say where you'd conceal the hand gun DOK!!!  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->:O
 

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Maybe in a "fanny pack"? <!--emo&:0--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
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Hey, when you start talking "naked", you have to leave a little to the imagination!  And that's O.K., cause at my age, imagination is all I've got left :-(

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