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I always wondered if I was man enough to master a rifle like the 458 Lott. I bought one to find out. The short answer is no, at least not without a lot of practice. And practice I have, a lot and I have mastered it and I enjoy shooting it. I have been shooting it every week, usually 30 or so rounds of 405 grain bullets loaded at 2400 feet per second and 4 or 5 full charge 500 grain loads about 2250 fps. I usually get a headache from this experience which passes in a few hours. It made me wonder though, is there any risk in firing this thing a this much week in and week out? If you have an opinion please try to give supporting evidence or your reasoning. Thanks.
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Those headaches come from your brain impacting the skull. I think detached retinas are a greater risk though.

If you watch another shooter during recoil, the shoulder moves back considerably sooner than the head, which stays stationary. Then your heavy noggin rocks forward then travels rearward.
 

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It sure can't be good for you in long run. I had a boss at Aberdeen Proving Ground who ran the high impulse shotgun test that made him black and blue. It did not heel and about four months later he was diagnosed with cancer in that area and died a few months later.


We had an Industrial Hygiene Specialist assigned to us ( least I think that was what he called himself) and I remember him saying the rule of thumb is if you first are exposed to something and you sneeze, cough it will in all probability not be good for you in the long run. Thus if you are shooting something hard enough to give you neck pain and headaches upon firing it cannot be good for you either.
I had a 458 Mag. Never shot it with full house loads but I dumped it. I had a 300 H&H Sporter that was not pleasant to shoot and dumped it. Had a 338 Mag and never shot it. When I have to shoot medium/heavy recoil guns now I use a Kick Killer recoil pad on the bench. Oh yeah I had a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 Mag let a guy shoot it and it dislocated his thumb. Knew other guys that shot one from him and wound up in ER getting head stitched up, dumped it too. Now I have a Ruger Redhawk which is far more pleasant and kept it.

Had politicians that gave me heart burn and dumped them too ! ! ! ! ! It just doesn't pay to keep doing something that give secondary effects that cause pain. For instance my father in law hated one politician so bad his doctor ordered him to not watch the news as he had a heart condition and he died five years ago.
 

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Head pain is never a good sign. I would say get a good recoil pad.
 

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I'm wondering if some of you have had football or boxing experience both of which can cause TBI if practiced in the long term. Maybe some of you have shot big bore rifles and can compare the experiences. How does getting punched in the head or getting hit in football compare with shooting a big bore rifle?

I asked an opthamologist about a detached retina and he dismissed the risk. He said if your retina was going to detach the recoil might cause it but if not something else would precipitate the detachment.

I'm using a recoil pad both on the gun and my shoulder.

When I say I'm getting a headache from the shooting, the headache is mild.
 

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Anything that rattles the brain pan and eye sockets can't be good for you, especially if indulged in on a regular basis.
 

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Had a .458 Win Mag. Even the "light" loads were more than I cared for. Sent it on down the line.....
 

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Why?

To prove you are "man enough" you deliberately subject yourself to something that you think may be doing permanent damage? Why would you want to do that? Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper just to lie down and let someone kick you until you get the same effect?

There are some hunting scenarios that make cartridges like the Lott a reasonable choice. Unless you actually do that kind of hunting, it seems to me that deliberately going out every week to get a headache just to prove you are "man enough" to get a headache is just silly.

Sell the gun to someone who needs it, or who wants to prove he's man enough. Get something that is actually fun to shoot, and have some fun in your life, instead of pain and risk of injury.
 

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I can shoot large, powerful cartridges. If someone at the range has a heavy recoiler and offers to let me shoot it, I will. I always have, anyway. But that's for my own curiosity and satisfaction. Really though, a stout 180gr bullet load in 30-06 is about all I need, and even then, not on any kind of a regular basis. I've got a little headache before after taking the 30-06, 35 Remington, and another rifle to the range to shoot 20 loads with each.

I think the 458 Lott belongs to a few limited, dangerous African game. It's too big for quail. I think you did good though for wondering about it and trying it out enough to become expert with it. I have zero desire to do anything with that cartridge (or anything similar to it, to include the Weatherbys) except read about it. Even then, the story had better be good. ((:)D)))
 

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In my younger days I thought I was indestructible. I had a very active life style. By early 30s my body was pretty much worn out. I did not realize what was happening to me at the time, only that I knew I had to find a desk job. Too little too late.

My old injuries have pretty much shut me down at a time when I am young enough to be doing a lot of things I had looked forward to doing. However, I am still alive and can do a limited amount of shooting and can still hunt under the right conditions. So, I am better off than a lot of guys my age.

What I am trying to say is that it did not have to be this way. If it hurts, don't do it. Funny thing though. Looking back over the years, I cannot find a thing that I would have wanted to leave out.
 

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I have arthritis in my neck. I blame it on repeated recoil over the years. I don't shoot a lot of Lot though. :rolleyes:
I suppose the most repeated heavy shooting would be 12 gauge. Though I have shot up to a 50 BMG on a magnum Mauser action, but I only did that once.
I suppose I could blame my poor memory and maybe some other brain malfunctions on recoil, but that would be ... well I'm at loss for words:confused:
 

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OP, you've proved to yourself you can handle that caliber. Quit while you're ahead. The "mild headache" is your body's way of saying your brain is getting bounced around, a bad thing to do repeatedly. Muhammed Ali didn't become a walking vegetable with one punch to the head but all the "minor" ones that added up.
 
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