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My father-in-law is looking for a nice shotgun cause he sold his years ago. He is leaning toward an 870 and he was wondering if that was a good choice, and i've heard good things about it but dont want to give him bad advice lol and i was wondering, a little off the topic, if you could get a wood stock and change if to a synthetic or vise versa. its almost time for a new shotgun for myself;)
 

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Depending on what he intends to do I would go for a Wingmaster or a police grade as opposed to the Express which can be upgraded
Originally Posted by Scattergun Bob
Here you go. This is a list to upgrade express 870's, please read it carefully.

Hi Folks,

So from what I’ve read of your e-mails you would like fixes to some of the potential problems in the Remington 870 Express. First let me say that from the factory these guns work! It is only after tough use that some parts start to become suspect.

Extractor / Extractor spring (this is the most important part change) – as a cost saving measure Remington uses a slurry metal extractor in the express this P/N 93012, if my life depended on this gun I would replace this part with a Forged Extractor P/N 16176, might as well throw in a new extractor spring P/N 17433.
Now, let’s talk about when to do this. By opening the action half way it exposes the extractor to you scrutiny, feel and look at the edge closest to the firing pin. If it does not fell sharp or looks rounded change it right now, otherwise keep checking this surface regularly. Order the parts and when you are ready to change out extractors, drop me a line and I can shoot you exactly how to change out this part.


Carrier Dog Follower Spring – I have noticed in many early Express models a problem with the action hanging or stuttering on the closing stroke (fail to feed up), this is commonly caused by the shell carrier not traveling high enough into the receiver and the shell hanging up on the bottom of the chamber. It is a common occurrence and is usually fixed by replacing with P/N 16966 a heavier version of the follower spring, Do Not change if you are not experiencing this problem, it could create a new one.

Trigger pull / sear spring - I have noticed that the nice 3 ½ pound trigger on many 870 guns seems to get mushy after a lot of use, sear spring P/N 17518 returns the trigger to a crisp release. As of last year all sear springs are the same, good news from Remington!!!! However if you have an early model Express change this part.

Magazine spring - Many times our shotguns run sluggish for no good reason. Most of the time (besides keeping the gun clean), weak magazine springs are the bad guys. Please replace your Express 5 shot magazine springs with magazine spring, Police P/N 92447. This is a much better quality part. For those of you with 8 shot tubes, I really like the Scattergun Tech stuff now owned by Wilson Combat. They make a very good, very stiff magazine spring.

Well, that’s about it for now. In closing let me remind you that I am in the personal protection business and am addressing the Express as a defense weapon. If it is a hunting gun, we can be more forgiving of the above mentioned parts. Feel free to e-mail with any other problems with your 870’s I’ll try to help
 

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My 870 Express 12g was made in '88, it's probably thrown a ton of lead! with never even a hint of a hiccup, and the vast majority have been magnum hand loads, it's been scoped for use on deer on the local wildlife refuge, I liked it so well I got a 20g Youth Express to pack in the Jeep (got tired of scratching the muzzle on my holy long Armi Sabatti OU dragging it in and out of the Jeep:mad:), it's worked flawlessly for two Grouse seasons so far and I have no droughts it'll bring home the birds this year too!
 

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These folks have given good advice

I would look at the used gun racks in a few gun shops for an excellent used Wingmaster. There are some real bargains out there at very reasonable prices. Hope this helps. All the best...
Gil
 

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My father-in-law is looking for a nice shotgun cause he sold his years ago. He is leaning toward an 870 and he was wondering if that was a good choice, and i've heard good things about it but dont want to give him bad advice lol and i was wondering, a little off the topic, if you could get a wood stock and change if to a synthetic or vise versa. its almost time for a new shotgun for myself;)
CL,

I would recommend the Wingmaster 870. The blue gloss finish on the Wingmaster is much more resistant to rust than the matte finish on the Express model.
 

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CL,

I would recommend the Wingmaster 870. The blue gloss finish on the Wingmaster is much more resistant to rust than the matte finish on the Express model.

I scratch my head every time I read this?, both of my Expresses have seen GALLONS! of rain be it duck hunting or grouse hunting, not a spec of rust on either one, you must see the ones that were left in the back of the pick up all week?
 

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Wrench,

Mine is a 870 - 3" Express Turkey gun. Got it about eight/ten years ago - Plain wood with pressed checkering. The metal finsh looks blue-black matte. Its a rough finish, almost like parkerizing except more blue than a parkerized grey. I've literally watched it start rusting sitting in a blind caught in the rain. I have used various rust preventatives, etc. the night before a hunt. Its a must to clean and relube the finish as soon as every hunt is done.

What's your finish like? When bought?
 

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Express shotguns and rusting

My local gunsmith says he has encountered a number of new or nearly new Express shotguns that were seriously rusting on the exterior and the interior of the receivers. He was asked to refinish the guns and stop the rusting. He was able to refinish the receivers, but could not stop the rusting. All the best...
Gil
 

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thanks guys. i was looking at one at our gunstore and its a wingmaster with a 28" barrel with a beautiful stock. its used so its cheaper but in excellent condition. i dont think ill tell my father-in-law bout that one...
 

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if you could get a wood stock and change if to a synthetic or vise versa. its almost time for a new shotgun for myself;)
On the 870 the only other thing you'll need is a longer/shorter stock bolt. There's two different lengths depending if wood or synthetic.

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Wrench,

Mine is a 870 - 3" Express Turkey gun. Got it about eight/ten years ago - Plain wood with pressed checkering. The metal finsh looks blue-black matte. Its a rough finish, almost like parkerizing except more blue than a parkerized grey. I've literally watched it start rusting sitting in a blind caught in the rain. I have used various rust preventatives, etc. the night before a hunt. Its a must to clean and relube the finish as soon as every hunt is done.

What's your finish like? When bought?

Both of mine have the same finish you describe on yours, the 12g was purchased in '88 and the 20g was purchased in '08.
Both of the Remingtons and my ARMI Sabatti O/U all get a liberal dosing of WD40 to hose off the water and then a thorough wipe down after the hunt but none show any rust at all, the Oregon rain must not be that hadrd on guns?
 

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i cant say anything bad about the 870 i have one and been around them a bunch that is what all my freinds shot growing up i would get the 3 1/2 that is what my brother shoots the only reason i dont hunt with it anymore i bought a semi
 

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Listen to Ray and get a used Wingmaster that's still in
good shape. They work great and are worth having.

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We had some posts a long time ago that went into detail about the Express finish having a tendency to rust, and a suggested cure. Mr. James Gates had the info, I think. If you can't find it then head over to Dixie Slugs forum and ask.

Hopefully, Remington has corrected the problem.
 

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I've got an 870 Express 20 and a Wingmaster 12. I love both.

The 20 is one of my favorites for dove hunting and has been very solid for the price. The Wingmaster has never given me trouble either and is a fine weapon.
 
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