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I'm sure most are aware of this, but just in case you haven't heard...

Important Safety Message for owners of certain Remington Bolt-Action Centerfire Firearms Manufactured before 1982
The Remington Arms Company, Inc. is offering a safety modification program for certain bolt-action centerfire firearms manufactured prior to 1982, including the Model 700 (made before March 1982), Model 600, 660, 721, 722, 40-X bolt-action rifles, and Model XP-100 target pistols (made before February 1975).

Remington is aware of reports that rifles with this feature have accidentally discharged while being unloaded, and whenever a gun fires accidentally, there is a risk of property damage, serious injury or death. This program is for owners of older bolt-action firearms who want to be able to unload their guns with the manual safety in the "on" or "safe" position.

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http://www.remington.com/Safety_....ety.htm
 

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A lot of folks have experienced this.  I heard a "bang" and sauntered over to my friends spot to see what he'd done (he'd just scared off anything I'd have as a prospect for awhile).  He's one of those deerhunting-from-birth PA guys, so I expected to see a deer.  

He was a bit stunned and said, "I just flicked the safety (of his Rem) and it went off."

No harm, no foul, but I don't trust any safety anymore...
 

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Important Safety Message for owners of certain Remington Bolt-Action Centerfire Firearms Manufactured before 1982
The Remington Arms Company, Inc. is offering a safety modification program for certain bolt-action centerfire firearms manufactured prior to 1982, including the Model 700 (made before March 1982), Model 600, 660, 721, 722, 40-X bolt-action rifles, and Model XP-100 target pistols (made before February 1975).

Remington is aware of reports that rifles with this feature have accidentally discharged while being unloaded, and whenever a gun fires accidentally, there is a risk of property damage, serious injury or death. This program is for owners of older bolt-action firearms who want to be able to unload their guns with the manual safety in the "on" or "safe" position.

More info at:
http://www.remington.com/Safety_....ety.htm[/quote]
Charlie Z- How old was your friends Remington that accidently went off?
 

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Hi all,
This has been going on for sometime.  I had a very good friend of mine about 16 years ago bought a new 700 ADL 30-06.  I was with him when he chambered the first round. Ka-boom.  His right hand was on the bolt, his left on the forearm.  No trigger play involved.  About 2 years ago 60 minutes did a segment on this when a woman in Montana was unloading hers and it went off, killing her son.  I can't remember what the circumstances behind that story was, but remember her saying that she did not see her son standing there and at no time did she touch the trigger.

No matter what rifle you have, never ever let it be pointed at anything you do not wish to shoot.  It doesn't matter if the rifle is loaded or not.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, so to say, but it just takes one mechanical failure for disaster to happen.
 

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This has been a problem for several years, and, actually, I am somewhat surprised by the recall.  There is a class-action suit pending at this time concerning this condition.  A young man here in town was shot by his wife with a .243 under similar circumstances while trying to unload her rifle.  The bullet went through a pickup door and hit him.  He was several months recovering.

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Erick,

This happened around '84-'85 and I think he'd just bought it.  At that time, there was rumor and gossip about them going off and I remember us talking about it on the ride up.

Wade is the consummate "pennsyl-tuckian" as we called him so his muzzle control was good, but he was a bit shaken by having it go off, all the same.
 

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Nothing shakes you up like an unexpected discharge... had it happen myself when unloading a rifle (not a Rem).  Culprit was a trigger that was adjusted too light (not by me).

Fortunately, out of long habit, I had the muzzle pointed 'away' from myself and hunting partner (and the truck).  Although the 'safe' direction was up in the air, it later occurred to me that the bullet had to come down somewhere!  It was a remote area and as far as I know nothing ever came of it.  So... from now on, I'll ensure the the muzzle is pointed at the ground or a safe backstop, not just up in the air, when unloading.

I have to say, I have long preferred the Winchester 3-position safety for this reason.
 

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I understand the modification simply removes the bolt lock down feature so the action can be cycled with the safety on. Recent production does not lock the bolt down. Those of you who had older Rems. will recall that cocking an uncocked closed bolt was simply a straight up straight down bolt movement. Current rifles require the bolt to be retracted a very short distance to ensure sear engagement. Possibly they are doing that on the recall too. Only owned one Remington, a 721, bought in 1954; the safety was so floppy that I thought the detent ball was missing. It wasn't so I installed a larger ball and then traded it for a Mod. 70. Have considered the Rem. trigger/safety design suspect ever since although I know a lot of guys really like them and they are the darling of gunsmiths who like to build moderately priced accurate rifles because they are easy to set up and true. A lot of those rifles end up with a custom trigger in any event. besto.
 

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I'm a bit surprised by the recall myself, because it doesn't actually adress the problem of the gun going off when the safety is moved to the fire position. This can happen whether the rifle is pre or post '82. I understand that the old style safety required you to move it to the fire position to unload, but even the newer safeties can have an accidental discharge. I know because I had one with my .223. I pulled the trigger, but the safety was engaged. Duh, no bang! But, when I moved the safety to the fire position it discharged. Fortunately, the gun was pointed in a safe direction. I don't really plan on getting rid of my Model 700's, but I am aware of their potential hazards! Be careful, keep the muzzle pointed down when disengaging that safety!!        IDShooter
 

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My understanding is that the AD issue was "supposedly" taken care of by an earlier recall. I have a friend who is sending his 660 in because the earlier recall was not performed on his gun. It will cost him something like $20 to have that fixed the current recall taken care of and return shipped to him. Sean
 

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Around 1992 I was working in our local gunstore and recall seeing a notice from Remington that was sent in the form of a document that was for gunstore OWNERS eyes, that they were aware of the problem on the 700's.  Since as far as they could tell,  the problem only affected around 4% of the production, they deemed a recall to be too expensive.  It was their conclusion that it would be cheaper to settle "incidents" out of court on a case by case basis.  I remember reading that well, since I became so angry I was literally shaking.  Haven't bought a Remington since...and never will.
While at the range this summer, got to talking to another shooter about that problem, an' he said he had an old 700 that had "gone off" on him three times.  He was afraid to shoot it, an' afraid to sell it, an' had no idea whether a new safety would fix the problem..  Maybe now he can do something about it.
 

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Hey Charlie!

That's Pennsyltucky with a capital P. And dontcha' fergit it!

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I JUST CONTACTED REMINGTON. THEY'RE NOT CALLING THIS A RECALL BUT A VOLUNTARY SAFETY MODIFICATION PROGRAM. FOR $20.00 PLUS S+H THEY WILL REPAIR THEIR DEFECTIVE PRODUCT. YOU'LL THEN RECEIVE A $20.00 COUPON WHICH CAN BE USED TO PURCHASE OTHER REMINGTON PRODUCTS. HERE'S THE HOOK. YOU CAN ONLY USE THE COUPON TOWARDS THEIR SAFETY PRODUCTS. WHEN I SPOKE TO A REP. I ASKED IF A PERSON COULD USE THE COUPON TO PURCASE SOME AMMO ETC. NO, ONLY SAFETY PRODUCTS. I REITERATED IF A PERSON HAS TO SPEND $20 TO REPAIR THEIR PRODUCT SHOULD'NT I BE ABLE TO APPLY THE COUPON TOWARDS SOMETHING I COULD USE OTHER THAN A GUN SAFE ETC. NO DICE. IF REMINGTON WAS A CLASS ACT THIS WOULD'NT BE THE CASE. I NOW KNOW MY NEXT PURCHASE WON'T BE A REMINGTON PRODUCT.
 

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To say this is unacceptable would be a severe understatement. If I treated customers like this I'd be out of business in no time. Who wants to buy a stinkin' trigger lock with the Remington logo? Sounds like they're trying to clear the warehouse. I'll be writing a letter post haste.
 

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Sounds like Remington's legal counsel has teamed up with their accounting staff.  They must've had a conference call with Smith and Wesson.
 

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MikeG said:
Nothing shakes you up like an unexpected discharge... had it happen myself when unloading a rifle (not a Rem).  Culprit was a trigger that was adjusted too light (not by me).

Fortunately, out of long habit, I had the muzzle pointed 'away' from myself and hunting partner (and the truck).  Although the 'safe' direction was up in the air, it later occurred to me that the bullet had to come down somewhere!  It was a remote area and as far as I know nothing ever came of it.  So... from now on, I'll ensure the the muzzle is pointed at the ground or a safe backstop, not just up in the air, when unloading.

I have to say, I have long preferred the Winchester 3-position safety for this reason.
Mike,
For what it's worth---

I have also had a gun go off from a trigger set too light. We were in a hunting camp, and I was working the bolt emptying rounds when one went off. My fingers were no where near the trigger. My rifle was pointed toward a herd of the ranchers cows. Luckily, and I don't know how, none were hit. I was 15 years old then, and the rifle was the old Belgium made Browning bolt action. I am 56 now and I remember that like it was yesterday. Scared they Heck out of me.
As much as we all use firearms, it is amazing that it doesn't happen more often.
To this day, I still don't own pistols as they seem to always be pointed the wrong way.

Since then, I've never even trusted the safetys, I always keep the bolt partially open.

And 3 lb triggers are light enough for me as long as they are crisp.

Have a good week-end
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what is the nature of this recall? from what i understood, it was a modification to allow the safety to be in the "on" position, locking the trigger but still allowing manipulation of the bolt, which in unmodified form, the bolt is locked along with the trigger

is this all there is to it? or is there another concern

i realize this is an old thread, but its the only one i have found about it
 

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That's about all there is to it. On the older Remington's you can't open the bolt with the safety on. If you adjust a Remington trigger much lower than 3 pounds you stand the chance of it going off when you close the bolt. This gets worse the lighter the trigger is adjusted.

I just traded off my old Rem 1979 8mm mag so all of mine are of the newer variety now, but I did have the old 8 go off once.

I shot a nice buck a few years ago and when I cycled the action for the next shot it went off as the bolt went down on the second cartridge. luckily it was pointed in the direction of the deer, but is scared the dickens out of me. I'm sure I didn't have my finger on the trigger as I was cycling the bolt with that hand. Keep in mind this wasn't a click on the safety incident, but a case of to light a trigger adjustment.

The factory trigger was set at two pounds and I certainly should have know better. As soon as it got home it went back to three pounds and never happened again.
 

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i have a bdl that was made in '77 and i've adjusted the trigger down somewhat and fiddled with it trying to make it malfunction by pulling the trigger repatedly and rapidly and then releasing the saftey. can't say for sure how many times i tried it but it was a lot. anyhow it did release the trigger once. i wonder if a bit heavier trigger return spring would cure most of these issues? when the saftey is engaged the sear is lifted off the trigger, and i feel that the issue is the position of the trigger when the saftey is released.
 

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You probably have a good point Dan.

Another test that works is bounce the butt of the rifle on the floor after it's cocked, then take the safety off. I ran a gunsmith shop for a while and adjusting triggers was a good part of that. I recommend that if you want less than three pounds on a Remington trigger you either buy one of Remington's 40 X triggers or an aftermarket trigger designed for lower pull weights.

I've found that if a trigger is adjusted for 3.5 pounds and is crisp with no overtravel it feels much lighter than the actual pull weight.

I've got a couple of Remingtons with 2.5 pound triggers, but they've been dissembled, honed and all sear angles set for optimum. Nothing I can do will make them go off. Problem is there's enough time in each of these triggers to buy good aftermarket triggers if your time is worth anything.
 
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