I have three of the Rossi 92 clones, a stainless 20" carbine in 38/357, a blued 20" carbine in 44/40 Win. and a blued 24 " half round/octagon rifle in 45 Colt. Just as a general statement across the board, I think one can expect smoother problem free feeding using a rounded profile bullet (flat point OK) than one with a 'sharp edge' like WC and SWC. That said, I don't recall having any problems in my 38/357 with any of my handloads. I'd suggest you load up a few to try, before laying in a large supply.
Rossi R92 Feed Issues
I have heard that one can experience difficulty in loading the magazine with "certain" 38 special rounds. IIRC it was regarding swc.
Is it an issue or just plumb hamhandedness on behalf of the you-tuber concerned?
Just gearing up on supplies for when mine arrives in a few weeks.
Is it an issue or just plumb hamhandedness on behalf of the you-tuber concerned?
Just gearing up on supplies for when mine arrives in a few weeks.
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SWC's work well in wheel guns. Don't think they were envisioned to load thru a levergun gate.
Thanks, chaps, just got to wait until the cops vary my licence before it can come home with me.
Not as long a wait as you guys with moderators but too bloody long as the police are underfunded and half their office staff are working from home. Used to take about 3 weeks now it's more than double so I threw in a few more variations so I can look in comfort for the next two additions, a 454 and a 22 rimfire as it doesn't look like ruger are shipping any marlin 45/70s here anytime soon.
For some reason the importers aren't bringing any 454 casulls into the country until later on in the year so I'll have to wait for that one anyway.
My 357 reloading dies etc are on their way to me so I can prepare some rounds.
I'm hoping to get a few hundred starline nickel plated brass so I can find them more easily in the grass when I go cowboy shooting.
Not as long a wait as you guys with moderators but too bloody long as the police are underfunded and half their office staff are working from home. Used to take about 3 weeks now it's more than double so I threw in a few more variations so I can look in comfort for the next two additions, a 454 and a 22 rimfire as it doesn't look like ruger are shipping any marlin 45/70s here anytime soon.
For some reason the importers aren't bringing any 454 casulls into the country until later on in the year so I'll have to wait for that one anyway.
My 357 reloading dies etc are on their way to me so I can prepare some rounds.
I'm hoping to get a few hundred starline nickel plated brass so I can find them more easily in the grass when I go cowboy shooting.
Speaking as someone who owns a BFR in 454 Casull (straight 7 1/2 " barrel with no porting), I can honestly say I have never used the words "comfort and 454" in the same sentence!comfort for the next two additions, a 454
I have never experienced any feed issues related to flat pointed bullets in my 92 (orig Winchester). The thing the 92's typically have issues with is short OAL cartridges. Something like a full wadcutter will just tie the action up. I think you'll find that magnums tend to always feed, but the shorter OAL .38 Specials can sometimes cause issues. If you encounter an issue, seat bullet out further if its your handload, or choose a different load if its factory. Just try a few and very shortly you'll figure out they work with most rounds.
I want the rossi carbine, 20" barrel why I don't know but apparently it can also shoot 45 long colt and 45 schofield.
What was a surprise to me was the service pressure of the 454, in order of 60,000 psi which kind of shades the win 94 by a significant amount, we live and learn.
It's a strange fact but over here we aren't allowed handguns of the sort you mention but the round seems well established here.
Any road I've got my name down for first refusal but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Incidentally, I used the word comfort referring to the ease of acquiring the gun after the variation on my licence has been approved rather than the effect upon my well being whilst using it.
Thanks to both Crooked Creek and the Dark Lord whose information regarding the suitability of 38 special wcs kind of puts the issue I raised originally into perspective.
What was a surprise to me was the service pressure of the 454, in order of 60,000 psi which kind of shades the win 94 by a significant amount, we live and learn.
It's a strange fact but over here we aren't allowed handguns of the sort you mention but the round seems well established here.
Any road I've got my name down for first refusal but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Incidentally, I used the word comfort referring to the ease of acquiring the gun after the variation on my licence has been approved rather than the effect upon my well being whilst using it.
Thanks to both Crooked Creek and the Dark Lord whose information regarding the suitability of 38 special wcs kind of puts the issue I raised originally into perspective.
drone, My opinion, which is worth just what you are paying for it(!), is that little action was never designed envisioning that level of chamber pressure. That said, I know modern metallurgy certainly has increased the capabilities of many firearms over their original design parameters and capabilities. Still so, if I were a betting man, even a modern Rossi 92 in 454 Casual, given a steady diet of heavy factory load chamber pressures nearing those stated, will suffer an 'early demise', a much shorter life than many of the original Winchester 92's from a bygone era that are still servicing owners today, even those rechambered or rebarreled to more reasonable modern cartridges (357 Mag., etc.). It might not literally 'blow up', but I'm guessing headspace issues will arise while the gun is still in it's relative youth. The 454 casual is a brute, and I predict you will appreciate that once you experience the recoil, even in a 6 pound carbine,,,.please come back and let us know after you have received it.What was a surprise to me was the service pressure of the 454, in order of 60,000 psi which kind of shades the win 94 by a significant amount, we live and learn.
In MY .45 Colt Rossi 1892 carbine, the Lee 250 gr. RNFP has given me the best feeding and the best accuracy. All attempts to make reloads with sharp-shouldered LSWCs feed well were unsuccessful. Other shooters tell me that, with a bit of polishing, they made their carbines feed SWCs.
My carbine shoots so well as it is, I'm hesitant to do anything that might change it.
My carbine shoots so well as it is, I'm hesitant to do anything that might change it.
Had a rethink, I need a 454 Casull like I need another fundamental orifice so it's going on the back burner.
Coincidentally I had a call from the police this morning regarding my variation and had a long and fruitful conversation with him and he advised me my licence should be back with me in a fortnight so I'm quite pleased.
Apparently their IT system has gone tits up and they are having to do variations by hand which, apparently, has speeded up the admin considerably.
On top of that my favourite mail order shop has had a delivery from LEE so I have a new 4 hole die holder, 358 bullet resizer and hand primer shell holder coming to go with a new set of carbide lyman dies in 38Sp/357mag.
I also have a couple of hundred winchester once fired brass cases coming together with a used lee 158 grn RNFP bullet mold so as soon as the licence comes through I can start filling my cases.
Now I'll have to rethink what I'm going to buy instead of the Casull, it'll stay an unscratched itch until I can find an alternative irritant as it were.
On a lighter side, wife and I went for lunch in the Pilot Inn (look up https://thepilotdungeness.co.uk ) and I picked up a book from the lifeboat charity library entitled "The Prairie Traveler" written by a Capt in the US army a Randolph B Marcy in 1859, it's turning into a riveting read the subject is The 1859 Handbook for Westbound Pioneers.
He expounds briefly on the efficiency of both Colt's revolver and his 6 shot revolving rifle, deeming them superior to muzzle loading arms, radical stuff eh.
Coincidentally I had a call from the police this morning regarding my variation and had a long and fruitful conversation with him and he advised me my licence should be back with me in a fortnight so I'm quite pleased.
Apparently their IT system has gone tits up and they are having to do variations by hand which, apparently, has speeded up the admin considerably.
On top of that my favourite mail order shop has had a delivery from LEE so I have a new 4 hole die holder, 358 bullet resizer and hand primer shell holder coming to go with a new set of carbide lyman dies in 38Sp/357mag.
I also have a couple of hundred winchester once fired brass cases coming together with a used lee 158 grn RNFP bullet mold so as soon as the licence comes through I can start filling my cases.
Now I'll have to rethink what I'm going to buy instead of the Casull, it'll stay an unscratched itch until I can find an alternative irritant as it were.
On a lighter side, wife and I went for lunch in the Pilot Inn (look up https://thepilotdungeness.co.uk ) and I picked up a book from the lifeboat charity library entitled "The Prairie Traveler" written by a Capt in the US army a Randolph B Marcy in 1859, it's turning into a riveting read the subject is The 1859 Handbook for Westbound Pioneers.
He expounds briefly on the efficiency of both Colt's revolver and his 6 shot revolving rifle, deeming them superior to muzzle loading arms, radical stuff eh.
I think that is a sound decision, it may have given you another orifice!Had a rethink, I need a 454 Casull like I need another fundamental orifice so it's going on the back burner.
If you like the 45 caliber bore, you could always follow up on your 38/357 with a 45 Colt Rossi with much more reasonable recoil and a long life. I have one with a 24" half Octagon half round barrel and it's a nice combination.
Here is something I lifted from another forum from a couple of years ago, written by an owner of a 454 Rossi, that seems to reinforce my thoughts above:
"I use 30 grains of w296 or h110 (same thing as far as im concerned). It is not much fun to shoot as the comb of the stock is rear-ward sloped which slaps you in the cheek pretty good when you fire that light little carbine. Love the gun though, has been good and reliable, easy to carry, and accurate with jacketed bullets, not so accurate with lead bullets. My concern with longevity lies with the thin tang where the butt stock attaches on the ‘92. It was a design made for older lighter recoiling cartridges, Im not sure it will hold up to repeated heavy use of high recoiling .454, (mine is beginning to crack.) I suppose a plastic stock would be just fine forever, or maybe I can glass bed the wood somehow. I agree a single shot or a mini double rifle would be pretty cool."
CC, trouble is you never stop wanting.
Indeed, my British friend, indeed...
Back in the day I purchased a Rossi reproduction of the Colt lightning pump action rifle in 45 Colt. I have found that if you muscle the pump action fast it feeds well with the 250gr RNFP cast bullets. I will not attempt to load any other form of bullets as these 250gr bullets do everything I want out of my loads.
I have a Rossi 38/357 I purchased several years ago at a gun show. I also had some feed issues along with problems loading through the side gate. I found this guy on the internet who is a Rossi specialist. I watched his video on fine tuning the lever action rifle,purchased his kit and I was well pleased with the results. Here is his info if you want to give it a try. Steve's Gunz, Rossi 92 Specialist
Thanks, Bigmart but he doesn't ship outside the US so that rules me out.
In the meantime, watch this space as I've now got my gun and I'm pretty sure I've sussed out the cause of the feed control issues.
In the meantime, watch this space as I've now got my gun and I'm pretty sure I've sussed out the cause of the feed control issues.
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