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Why can't Ruger make the gun we all want them to.  It would be a Ruger Bisley with adjustable sights, a taller barrel band front sight, a 5.5" barrel, a 5 shot oversized 45 Colt cylinder, on a Belt Mountain base pin, with a 3 - 4 lb trigger in their factory blued finnish.  I think they should make this gun and sell it for &#36700.  

They may need to add a few production lines due to the popularity of this though!

Who would buy this gun?
 

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As long as were dreaming,
I would like a stainless hunter, in .45 colt.  
  Yes, and a five shot.

I just love the look of that girl. She is dreamy....  


                               Scout
 

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El Lobo,
It was custom made, right?  I don't want Ruger to attempt the fine hand one at a time craftsmanship that a Bowen or Linebaugh does, I just want a great hunting gun built to the proper spec.

(Edited by Nathan at 8:33 pm on Nov. 5, 2001)
 

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Because even if Ruger made such a gun, you would pay more than &#36700 for it.  The oversize cylinder requires the frame window to be opened slightly to accomodate it.  The geometry is different between five and six shot revolvers and this would require retooling of machinery.   But hey, as long as we are dreaming, why not a four lane bridge to Africa, so I can drive.
 

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Really?  That is a &#36200 price increase for a few small changes.

Machine settings changes.  Those should be free, if done before a batch run.  

A bigger cylinder blank.  Probably less than &#361.

Additionaal frame machining.  Less than &#361.

More trigger finnish work and light springs.  Less than &#3610.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in production, it is fairly easy to change your spec and retool for small of partial changes with sigificantly higher profit margin.
 

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By your response, it is very obvious you have little grasp of real world applications.  The cost of making NEW machinary and or parts for the change would be no small portion of a profit margin.  It costs the factory money to build and retool these machines and I assure you that would be passed on to the customer.  Ditto for the changing sizes of the cylinder widow and fitting the oversized (Belt Mountain) base pins.  

There are reasons why you will have to pay Freedom Arms or John Linebaugh or Dave Clements, etc &#361500 for a five shot revolver in .45 Colt on up to the .500 Linebaugh.  If you want this level of performance then you are going to just have to suck up and pay for it.
 

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It is kind of funny how you mention little real world experience!  I do this for a living.  I work in new model development for a large company in America.  We develop new models every year.  We also make special editions like I'm suggesting because sometimes it is easy and very profitable to give a targeted customer what they want for a small price increase.  We do it succesfully on a regular basis.  Sorry about the "in your face response", but I'm coming from a fairly solid background as a manufacturing engineer.  

&#36200 on a &#36500 gun is not a small increase.  I'm sorry if I didn't detail out the cost properly, but since we don't make revolvers, I don't know the exact process and cannot figure the exact cost.  In quantity, changing machining operations can be almost free, or just a &#36500 or so programming investment.  Changing forging tooling, casting tooling, and adding labor though do add real cost.  I tried to indicate that.  For a special run, Ruger would probably just machine the small change parts and run the trigger sets through a custom shop for improved fitting.  Yes this increases cost, but they would probably not increase there workforce, unless it sold like hotcakes.  
 

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Nathan,

I paid ~&#36450 for a new Ruger Bisley revolver in .45 Colt, and ~&#36500 for the conversion to the 5 shot cylinder, and a trigger job.  It's still a .45 Colt.  So now I have the HotRod .45 and an old three-screw Blackhawk (not Super Blackhawk or Bisley) in .45 Colt that I handload a 255 grain Keith style SWC at 1000 fps.  Between the two I've got most bases covered!!  

El Lobo in NM
 

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Ruger could build most of what you're wanting tommorow if they wanted.  Scale up the Bisley slightly, make it out of matte stainless, offer it in choice of .454 Casull or 480 Ruger or even .475 Linebaugh; call it the "Alaska Model" or something similarly catchy.  It would sell like hotcakes, and if they decided to make it a regular production item they could sell for a reasonable amount of dough.  just my &#36.02 worth
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There's more to 5 shot conversions than just a cylinder. The cheaper ones get you a new cylinder and pawl. The exspensive ones get the window opend, and a larger line bored cylinder, and a new barrel. Along with action blocking and general action work.
 yeah, Ruger could make a cheap 5 shot. But why bother?
 

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Nathan,
I agree with your statements regarding Ruger Dream Gun and manufacturing technology. As for additional cylinder strength, they could use in blue guns 900M and in stainless ones 15-5 or 17-4, or other alloys of similar strength and toughness. That would add no more than few bucks to the cost.  The most significant increase in cost should be, for improved accuracy, machining on NC machine of each cylinder hole, one at the time, with same tool instead with multi spindle head (I think that, more or less, everybody is using this method now in order to cut the cost). This method could not replace in-line boring method for accuracy, but should be next best one, eliminating the biggest enemy of revolver accuracy; inconsistency in chamber dimensions and position relatively to barrel bore. My suspicion is that Dan Wesson is using this process and that could one of main reasons why they are quite accurate. But, even with noted method of cylinder manufacturing, retail price should be well within &#36700. Regards, Onty.
 

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As long as these are dream guns, I'll take a Ruger Bisley with 4 5/8 barrel, barrel band front sight in 500 Linebaugh.  Yeah, it's a dream and that would be expensive, but I think it could be done, especially by Mr. Ruger.  Obviously no complaints to Mr. Linebaugh, Bowen or Reeder.

While I'm at it, how 'bout a full blown No. 1 custom shop!!!
 

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I'd like a GP100 in .45 ACP!  Sort of a counterpart to the Smith 25- and 625- series.
 

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Truthfully I'd just be happy if Ruger would put the limited run 5-1/2" .45 Bisley into regular production.

Oh yes, and make a .30-40 Krag on the Gold Label
and .338-06 M-77RS.

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I often wondered why the gun manufacturers don't ask us, the gun experts, what we would want. Once they take their poll on this and make what we are looking for, sales would increase dramatically.
 

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Sure would be nice to see Ruger build an over under rifle, shotgun, based on the Red Label.
Read somewhere that this frame had been chambered for 338 Win. Mag. by a gunsmith.
My selection of 12 gauge/375 HH would be the woods hunters dream gun. Might very well serve as back up for PH'S.
They might consider the 12/338 an option also.
My gun would have a 20 inch barrels, and weigh in at 7 pounds. Sans pad, sling, and very good receiver sights.
Anyway, my 2 pecesos worth.
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Roger,
It's kind of off the Ruger topic, but do you (or anyone else) remember the O/U rifles Browning made?  I think it was in the 70's, though might have been the early 80's.  Must've not sold very well, but I'd love to have one.  Seems like they were chambered in 270, 30-06, 7Mag and 300 Mag, though I could be wrong about the 300.  Does anyone know about these rifles?
 
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