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Whoo hoo, I scored 500 rounds of new Wninchester brass at auction on ebay for less than half of retail cost.

I also happened into a "sporting goods store" in a nearby town, the kind that sells running shoes, hockey sticks and soccer balls, and to my surprise they had a "gun section".

Seeing as how I have yet to fire my new M71, due to lack of ammunition, I inquired if they had any 348 Winchster ammunition. The man behind the counter said he had heard of 348 Win, but had never seen any loaded ammunition. So much for this place. <!--emo&:0--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->

As I made my was out of the "gun section", I noticed a small shelf of bullets, and lo and behold there sat four boxes of Hornaday 348 bullets, priced at $15.25 a box.  Hmmm, that's ten bucks less per box than I can find anywhere else, so I bought em.

The man behind the counter thought that they had been a special order and the person who ordered them hadn't picked them up. The boxs were the old style Hornaday box, so they must have been on the shelf for quite a while.

Got new brass, cheap bullets, old stock of powder,  primers, and even found a set of dies. Gonna spend the rest of the morning at the loading bench, then to the range. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

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Good find, J.D.  Sounds as though you are set.  We'll be interested in the shooting results.

I received my order for the .450 Alaskan, so I too have a project this weekend.  (A new stove being installed for my wife is the no. 1 priority, however.)  I will report what I find.

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Good deal on those cases! I never thought of trying e-bay. Considering .348 cases are about the most expensive brass as sold by Winchester, you made out quite well. When i bought my 71 about 10-12 years ago, i made it a point to stock up on cases through Midway.Have about 1000 on hand. Figured that would be enough considering the frequency of use that that rifle gets.Good thing also that your loading for it. New cartridges in my neck of the woods, while being stocked in many shops, retail for around $40.00 per box. I have 4-5 boxes that i use for pressure "reference" and for cronograph comparison against handloads.Best of luck and enjoy finding the "sweet" spot for your rifle.
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Yeah, factory 348's are out of the question for me. $33 bucks a box is the least expensive I can find. Most places want $40 bucks or more.

I haven't thought about using factory ammo for a "control" to test my hand loads. I migh pick up a couple of boxs of the $33 ammo just for that purpose.

I Chronoed four loads today, and was disappointed at the results.

51gr of 20+ year old 4064 gave an average velocity of 2184 fps with 57fps extreme spread.

A new can of 4064 my son bought last year gave an average velocity of 2297fps with an extereme spread of 63 fps with the same 51gr charge.

I'm cheap, so I'll shoot up the old 4064 in lighter loads.

After twenty rounds, my shoulder began tellling me that I needed to back off so I finished by firing only five rounds, each, of the last two loads.

63gr of 15 year old 4350 gave an average velocity of 2240fps with an extreme spread of 17fps.

49gr of ten year old 3031 gave an average velocity of 2292 with an extreme spread of 40fps.

I really, really, need to get some new powder.:0

I might add that there are a  couple of new auctions for 500 rounds of 348 brass at;
http://listings.ebay.com/aw....43.html

enter 348 in the search feature.

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JD,
It may be appropriate to mention that if you buy 348 cartridges for pressure measure comparisons, i have found that the "older" Browning commemorative cartidges as produced by olin/winchester several years back has brass that measures  several 1/1000ths smaller that current 348 cases. Best to stick with "current" cartridges for comparisons, lest you be mislead by your micrometer. Thanks for the e-bay heads -up. Hope i don't bid against anyone on these boards!:eek:
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Ain't bad at all. Now add about 12 bucks for shipping and ya got a  supply for brass  for a coupla years. ;-)

The price you're paying beat mine by nearly 15 bucks, so you did real good.
The best retail price that I can find  for 5oo rounds of 348 brass  is $192 plus shipping, so $75 + shipping is less than half. Not too shabby.

J.D.
 
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