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I've seen alot of peoples ideas on a "minimum" caliber for self defense. Now, I understand that when push comes to shove, you want something that will leave a hole the size of a volkswagon in the attacker, but is it really needed? My feeling is that unless someones coming at you covered in body armor, a 9mm is going to work just as well. It almost seems that some peoples opinion when it comes to self defense is that anything smaller than a .40 is a joke and ought to be sold at a Toys R Us and not a gun shop. Anyone else feel that way, or should I put a down payment on a cannon to mount in my closet to defend the home?
 

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I'd rather have a .22 than a knife, a .380 or 9mil or .38 Special over a .22, a .40 over those, a .45 over that. I use a couple of .38 Special snubnoses around the house, scattered here and there. What do I grab for when something that goes bump in the night? My 12 ga M870 loaded with BB's and / or 0000 buckshot. Thing is, whatever you get is better than hand to hand. Just practice with it. Especially in a darkened room. I also keep a mini mag light next to the shotgun.
 

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I feel the same way. A 9mm will work just as well, but if you have any doubt, aim for the head. I personally have several different defense weapons placed throughout my apartment. I have a .40 by my bed, 12ga. in the middle bedroom, .357 mag. in the livingroom, and a .38 special in the bathroom (so i dont get caught with my pants down lol). All of them loaded. Yes, I may be a little paranoid, but with only one way in and out, I would much rather be safe than sorry.
 

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I picked a .40 only because it was better concealed then a .45. Otherwise I would have bought a 1911.

The reason I picked that caliber is because of looking at all the nasty pictures of people and animals getting killed. It is about the same Ft # at close range as a .45 and still puts a big enough hole to stop someone 15 feet away and the FMJ might make it far enough to exit and break the spine.

My self defense clip is loaded self-defense ammo, hollow point, FMJ, repeat with the idea of shooting anyone three times, that is how I practice at the range.

For home defense, the .40 gives me enough time to get more clips and the shotgun if more then one attacker.

> Boston MA

Can you even get a concealed weapons permit? That might be where I would start my purchase, if you can not, then I would go shotgun.
 

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A 75 mm recoiless rifle leaves little room for argument. Local authorities may frown on its deployment in populated areas, though.

Check other threads. There are pluses minuses to all choices. Most of us who are comfy with the .45 handguns like them partly for the reason their use doesn't involve any dependency on expansion, which sometimes fails to work consistently. The .45 is a pre-expanded .380 Magnum (9 mm), as the saying goes.

But as previously said, any gun is better than no gun in a bad situation. You try to have the heaviest chambering you can control to hand (one reason the 12 gauges with an 18" barrel for pointing control is generally agreed to be about the most favorable thing to have in close quarters), but you work with what you actually have available.
 

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jbee, I have my LTC, and a small collection of firearms. I'm not so much looking for a self defense caliber, just wondering why people seem to think that 9mm and .38 special won't do the trick.

And it's not Boston, it's a suburb north of the city, little easier to get my LTC living outside the city
 

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9mm and 38 special have been doin the job for abouyt a 100 years and they are better than ever ,due to technological advances in bullet construction.Both are easier to shoot than heavier calibers.It what you are most comfortable with is what you should use.A hit with 22lr is better than a miss with a 44mag.That said a larger caliber leaves bigger hole,and if you can handle them i would opt for a heavier caliber,unless you are looking for conceal and carry weapon.
 

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jbee, I have my LTC, and a small collection of firearms. I'm not so much looking for a self defense caliber, just wondering why people seem to think that 9mm and .38 special won't do the trick.

And it's not Boston, it's a suburb north of the city, little easier to get my LTC living outside the city

Cause we just like to argue I think!!!! :D
 

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A 75 mm recoiless rifle leaves little room for argument. Local authorities may frown on its deployment in populated areas, though.

Nick, I do like the 75mm, but a flame thrower is much more practical. Remeber, it saves biohazard clean up time and paperwork!
Aww, come on Mike? Who's arguing?
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Rats. I saw "LCR" and read "LCP". My comments were directed at the .380 semi-auto, not the revolver. Sorry, need to clean my glasses...
 

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well i agree.. self defence with a handgun is more about knowing your gun an making the first shot count..after that ,,its very few thats very accurrate with lead flying all over the place..
don t know how id do,in that situation.. but in the past,, with me survival instincts take over an im better then,, than ever in practiceing..
somes blessed to be that way,some go all to pieces..they not wrong they just blessed in other ways, mabe..
haveing said that ,,still..you only as good as you next game..hope i never play in another game like that..cause it really ain t a game..jmo slim:)
the few times ive been there.. i experienced a high that was like nothing i ever experienced an lasted well into the next day..can t explain it but that day i had what it took..i guess i just had a rush of confidence ..go figure.. if ida had to kill a man ,i suspect the confidence would have soon been replaced by remorse..but the gun would have done its job an id be alive,along with my family..jmo.
 

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For me minimum starts at .32 ACP with Silvertips it is 66% "one shot stops" in actual shootings - 99 out 0f 151. (I know the data from "Stopping Power" is not scientific per se but when you have infomation on hundreds of shootings it is worth considering.) From there the .380 and .38 with the best ammunition will for sure work .380 71% OSS and +p .38 is 80%. The .380 will work for sure. In the end, it depends how much gun you want to carry around. For me lighter is better which means using the minor calibers when out and about. For a night stand gun I'll start with a .357 and go up from there. Shot placement always helps and "practice makes perfect."
 

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mt, lots of opinions I have a 45(LC) that will stop about anyone I need to stop. Big, heavy, will penetrate houses, I have a 40, smaller, more shots, black, scares folks out in the public when they see it. I have a Ruger 380, carry it a lot, doesn't scare folks, slips in a pocket or strap holster like it's not there, no safety to practice with. It will deter most anyone trying to do me or my companion harm, won't stop some meth crazed druggie with a machete trying to get my last $2 for his next fix. So I have the Colt where I can get it, I carry the 40 sometimes when it's convenient and I won't scare anybody, and I carry the 380 at all other times because it's easy and better than nothing.(I never carry nothing!)
It's what works for you, where you are, and where you go and what the risks are there. Not leaving your fate in someone else's hands works for everybody.
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You dont worry about the size of a gun if it stays at home. My Beretta 92 is primarily for this, but is difficult to conceal. When it comes to concealed carry, of course diff. story. I think it boils down to what are you most likely to have with you at all times? The .45 that only is hidden under winter clothes is useless if it doesnt hide for you the rest of the time. What I usually end up carrying is a cheap, compact but utterly reliiable Erma Excam .22 (ppk knock off)- please dont laugh anyone. It carries as easy as a wallet, is super cheap to practice with even with quality .22 ammo, and allways goes boom. It is getting tired though, and I am having a tough time getting around to replaciing it with something else.
 

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I think the 38 Spl +P is the lightest that I would go per personal defense. You have to think about more than blowing the perp away, the people or stuff behind and all sides of the perp.

If you are in your home, remember that you may shoot thru a perp and the bullet could end up in your frig or your kids.

I carry several different pistols depend on the season, I can't carry a 1911 concealed in the summer, but can during the winter.

As that I live out in the country, I am not too worried about a bullet whether it be a 38 Spl or 75mm ending up in the neighbors house, but in the burbs it is possible.

There are a few people I know that use a 32 ACP pistol for home protection, if it works for them, that great. It probably won't work for me.

The key to self defense shooting is to practice a lot and often. During the cooler months I live fire practice once a month and dry fire 2 to 3 times a month. During the summer I live fire 2 to 3 times a month. Using live ammo keeps it real, if you want the adrenaline rush before practice, run a mile or two then stop and fire while your heart is pounding.

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A 9mm or .38 special would be fine. just practice with what ever you use. I usually have a .44 mag revolver loaded with .44 specials by my bed. When carrying i'll Alternate between my 9 mm Glock and My S&W 696 .44 specila revolver.
 

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shot placement ..another and another,until the aggression has been stopped..know your gun an rnd..
hit what you shoot at..what ever you shoot with..may we be blessed to not have to use,, what we diligently prepare for..practice and more practice will have its reward ..if it be his will.. slim
 
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