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I have been looking for a semi-auto 30-06 with a detachable 10+ round magazine, does it exist?

I can find .308 (I guess this is close to a 7.62 x 51? nato) from many OEMs, even .338, but, no 30-06.

The 30-06 has the most variety of rounds ? and looks like the longer range rifle cartridge going by the spec. sheets.

I had considered the Benelli R1, but, for both hunting and property defense the four round magazine would be a bit small and I can't tell if it is semi-automatic.

I know for the semi-auto armalite .308 you can get 30 round magazines, but, I am really looking for 30-06 with 10 rounds or so.
 

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If you are talking about military rifles, the FN Model 1949 is a semiauto developed right after WWII (actually it is a prewar design that was interrupted by the war) and is the forerunner of the FN FAL. It was a 10-shot semiauto with a detachable magazine (although it was meant to be loaded with 5-rd. stripper clips through the top of the action).

It was made in .30/06, 7x57, 7.92x57 and 7.65x53. Argentina eventually converted the latter rifles to 7.62 NATO and added a 20-rd. magazine.

They were used by Belgium, Luxemburg, Egypt, Argentina, Columbia and other countries I can't recall. They are very robust and reliable and even have an adjustable gas system. Do a Google search for "FN Model 49" and you'll find them.

There should be a few for sale if you look hard enough.

If you are talking sporting rifles, there are none that come with a 10-rd. magazine. There are aftermarket 10-rd. .30/06 magazines available for the Remington Model 740/742/7400/Four/750, but in my experience they are pretty unreliable and often do not fit or lock into the magazine well.
 

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The BAR was full auto for most of its production run, but the first few years of production did have selective fire capability. Any military BAR will be an NFA item and cost 5 figures to buy.

Speaking of the BAR, Ohio Ordnance does make a semiauto-only copy of the BAR in .30/06 that uses 20-rd. magazines. They run about $2,000.00. I had one for awhile (got it in a trade) and it was fun, but pretty impractical because of the weight.
 

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I had a Remington 742 in 30-06 for a short time. It had a 4-round detachable magazine, but there are third-party 10-round magazines available for it. Remington has recently released the 750, which is the newest generation of this line, and it probably takes the same magazines.

If by "property defense" you mean against destructive animals, I can't imagine why a large magazine capacity would be important. If you mean home defense or self defense, firearms in that caliber are generally not made with large magazine capacities because it is generally not thought of as a reasonable choice for that purpose (due to its recoil, which makes it harder to control for rapid fire).

The .308 and 7.62x51mm NATO are cartridges that are similarly versatile to and only a little less powerful than the 30-06. Quite a few semi-automatic rifles with large capacity magazines exist in these calibers. Though the 30-06 is more powerful, I wouldn't necessarily consider it a longer-range caliber, and .308/7.62x51mm are much more commonly used in long-range situations.

If you really can't sacrifice power, there are semi-auto AR type rifles chambered in .300 WSM, which is even more powerful than the 30-06 (though this does not satisfy your desire for many varieties of loaded ammunition).
 

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Johnson (?) rifle, issued to US troops in WWII, was 10 round capacity I think.....
 

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> If you really can't sacrifice power, there are semi-auto AR type rifles chambered in .300 WSM

I had wondered about one of these. Basically, what I am doing is going by the ammo that I can buy at my favorite local store, CheaperThenDirt, or Sportsmanguide for 2,000 rounds and working backwards into the gun.

> Northern Ordnance does make a semiauto-only copy of the BAR in .30/06 that uses 20-rd. magazines

Did not know about that one!

I did not know about the FN-49, thanks!

http://www.gunsamerica.com/95992218...49_Semi_Auto_30_06_rifle_Autographed_Book.htm
 

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M1A receiver is too short for the .30-06. There is one however made by COBB the MCR in .30-06 with 20 rd BAR mags and based off of the AR15/AR10. Then Bushmaster aquired Cobb in 2007. I used to have a Venezuelan FN49 in 7x57 and can attest to their strengths. Venezuela only bought 3000 or so. The most numberous were in 30-06 over 150,000 rifles for Belguim alone. However, only the Argi in 7.62 uses a detachable magazine. Others are semi perament, design to be reloaded with stripper clips. HK also made the 940 semi in 30-06 with a 3 or 10 rd mag.

from HK "Continuing in the HK Sporting rifle line that was imported into the U.S. in the 1980s, but is no longer offered here is the HK940. The 940 is a semiautomatic rifle utilizing the famous HK delayed roller locking bolt. It has an overall length of 47 inches, and came with a polygonal bore profile barrel. It has two different magazines available, either three or 10 round capacity. The guns in the 630, 770 and 940 series all had integral flash hider/compensator slots at the end of the barrels."



Other sporting 30-06 are the Benelli and Remingtons mentioned, Browning MkII BAR, Winchester Super X with only the Remington having higher capacity mags availible (RamLine)

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Well, I had disappointing results today with reloaded .40 ammo I bought and I had been planning on buying 1,000+ reloaded rounds for whatever rifle I bought. I think I might stick to new OEM stuff.

Is the reason .338 Federal is so expensive compared to 30-06 and .308 is because it is bigger (more powder and bigger bullets and case) or because it is not as popular? For new ammo, the 30-06 looks the cheapest, followed by the .308.

If I can't get a used .FN-49, I am considering these two (my local dealer stocks them)

armalite
ar-10a4-t $1800 .338 federal

aar-10a4 10a4f
.308 $1400
 

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JB, if I were you, I'd just get an AR-10 in .308. It maybe less powerful than the -06 and the .338 federal, but depending what you are shooting at I doubt you'll have a problem. It's still a good round.

The .338 federal doesn't have a smaller case than the .308 because it's actually the same case necked up (I believe). It is less common then either other round though, so yes, that will be why it's more expensive. The .30-06 is the most common round down there, I think, followed by rounds like the .308, .30-30, .223, etc. so that is why it's so cheap.

Let us know what you end up getting!
 

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Well, I really wanted the FN-49, it is cool and well built, but, there is no reliable way to replace the magazine with a real detachable magazine and after watching video clips of the reloading with strips, it just will not do.

I have decided against the Remington 30-06 pumps in case I have to shoot while laying down prone.

I have been researching the various calibers and ft pds at 100 and 300 feet, and this looks like it might fit the bill.

http://www.adventureoutdoors.us/bushmaster-inch-heavy-barrel-chrome-lined-blue-finish-p-18201.html

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="main" valign="top">450 Bushmaster 20 Inch Heavy Barrel Chrome Lined Blue Finish Bl
Manufacturer: BUSHMASTER
Item#: ACU-BCWVMS20-45</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="productPrice">$1,289.99</td></tr></tbody></table>
It looks like it can take care of any 2 or 4 legged critter within 10-300 feet and it is short enough to fire inside a house and around a door frame or and powerful enough to shoot through a wall or wooden door if I had too.

My local dealer stocks it. The cart. are a bit steep, but, it looks like I may be able to reload them. From the various boards, it looks like this a favorite for pig/boar hunting. Anything bad about Bushmaster?

The other I have been thinking about is

Advanced Weapon System .50 Beowulf 16.5 Inch Barrel Black Finish
Manufacturer: ALEXANDER ARMS
Item#: ACU-R-AWS16BEO $1,246.99

But, I have not found much about this caliber and cheaper then dirt does not carry them.

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Is the reason .338 Federal is so expensive compared to 30-06 and .308 is because it is bigger (more powder and bigger bullets and case) or because it is not as popular? For new ammo, the 30-06 looks the cheapest, followed by the .308.
.338 Federal ammunition is expensive because it is a fairly new cartridge (4 years), and Federal is the only source of factory ammunition. Federal is milking that lack of competition for every penny, raising the price 50% since it was introduced. Supply and demand. No one sells new brass, so handloading does not completely avoid the problem.

By comparison, the .30-06 is over 100 years old and the .308 is almost 60 year old, and both have been heavily adopted by militaries. Everyone makes ammunition for them, including Asian and Eastern European manufacturers you have never heard of.

I think the .338 Federal is an excellent cartridge, and I would recommend it for big game hunting despite the cost consideration. However, for self-defense it is overkill (as is the .30-06, IMO), and ammunition cost is a much bigger factor in a semi-automatic weapon. I must agree with those who are urging you to consider the .308 / 7.62 NATO.
 

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Honestly for home defense a .308 in a proven platform would be prefered. M1A and FAL can be had with either 5,10, or 20 rd mag. The HK 91/G3/Cetme would be another but usually with 20 rd mags. The .450 Bushmaster or the .50 Bewolf have very limited ammo availiblity and mag cap.

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Yeah in the long run the .308 is really a lot easier to manage, logistically, and every other way. Cheaper ammo, more standard platforms, and does what it needs to do. I hunt with a .30-06 but couldn't really ever say a .308 would have had trouble with the same shots and critters.

If you want a .450 or other oddball, by all means, go for it. Just know you may be really scrounging for components a few years down the road, so stock up while you can. Brass will be the critical path as it doesn't appear to be easily made from another case, unless you have a lathe.
 
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