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I just receaved my licence and plan to buy a  FA 454 Casull with a 7 1/2 barrel.
Would anyone recomend ordering it with a port/brake
or should i just shoot it first. just looking to save some time by not having to send it back to get ported. If the majority ports/brakes.
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Mike,

I won't get into the to port or not to port argument.

I would urge you to shoot it first without a brake for a while to see how it feels to you.


If need be at a later date, you can always have the 4 port Magna-Port job done. This porting is less obtrusive and visible and fits in with the lines of the gun.

A lot easier to cut ports than to fill them. Should you ultimately decide to keep it unported. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->


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My 10" FA 454 came factory Mag-Na-Ported, and even with the ports there is plenty of muzzle climb with the 355 gr. loads I shoot.  I shudder to think what they would be like without the ports as I have other guns that I experienced before and after porting, and the porting does wonders in decreasing muzzle jump, but not recoil.  The brake is tops for reducing recoil, but like was said, shoot it first and decide what you want to do from there.  If you find the jump too objectionable, porting may be the solution, but if you want to reduce recoil a great deal, then braking is the answer, even though it will IMHO look terrible on a revolver like the FA.  
 

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I do think it is important to note that Dick Casull, the inventor of the cartridge and gun system, absolutely will not shoot a FA 454 that has a brake or is Magna-Ported. You cannot destroy energy, you can only re-direct it.
IF THE REVOLVER AIN'T GOING UPWARDS IT COMES BACK JUST THAT MUCH HARDER.
 

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Mike,

I would rather have Mag na brake than Mag na port. The brake is ugly but more effective in recoil reduction and it is also removable should you decide not to use it.

I personally would not want to do that to my Freedom Arms revolver but if you are recoil sensitive then may be it is a good thing to do. Be prepare to protect your ears if you decide to port or brake it.

Good luck!
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Thanks anyway I went with out the porting and I am very happy with it. I realy dont know what the big fuss is over the 454 (dont get me wrong it is a nice kick) but the way some people talk I was afraid this thing was going to fly out of my hands.
I am loading a 300 gr XTP over 30.6gr of H110 and I love it.
Good shooting and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
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Mike. Load up some 355 gr. bullets over 32.0 gr. H110 and let me know if you still wonder what the big fuss is over.  With lighter bullets at lower velocities, porting certainly is not needed, but when you start loading up bullets of 350-400 grains and pushing them to the max, porting certainly comes into it's own.  I bought my FA second hand and it was factory ported, and I am glad it was.  I have been a big fan of porting for many years when you want to keep the muzzle jump down, but the FA even with the porting has more than enough jump for my tastes.  I personally would not want to shoot my load through an unported barrel.
 

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I agree 355s give you some kick, but 400s at 1400 fps in a .475 certainly don't warrant porting the barrel.  Neither do 500s at 2100 fps out of my .458 Win mag.  

Having said that, recoil is very subjective and what is harsh to one may not be "bad" to another.  This makes porting attractive to some and the increase in noise and blast of brakes and porting abrasive to others.  It's one of those things a person just has to try out and find what one can live with.
 

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MS Hitman;
I agree completely.  I would suspect that the 400 gr. .475 bullet at only 1400 would not need porting.  I know that those 355 gr. that I shoot out of my 454 don't need it either at 1400-1500, but they are churning out of my barrel at 1697 fps.  When I was working up the load I started at 22.0 gr. and was shocked at how mild the recoil was.  By the time I reached max at 32.0 gr. I had a whole new respect for the handgun!
    However, my M77 Ruger in 458 certainly benifited.  Your bench shooting syle may be different than mine, but when I bench shoot I do not restrain the forend at all, letting it rise under recoil.  In my 458 this was very unnerving.  The barrel would rise off the rest over a foot and come crashing back down.  When I tried holding the forend down, my groups opened up considerably.  With more practice bench shooting that way I'm sure I could have learned to tighten up the groups again, but this old dog it too #### old to change things now.  So, for me porting did the trick. I can shoot those same 500 gr. loads from bench now and the stock never rises out of the rest.  However, shooting off-hand rise is not as much of a problem since one is obviously holding on the forend, but still, even then, the amount of muzzle jump was noticeably changed, from some to none.  The range I shoot at only has three hard points to shoot off of and they are over 75 feet apart, so blast from porting is not a bother to anyone.
  You are also certainly right about perseption.  I cannot help but giggle to myself when at work we are talking guns and someone says how ungodly the recoil is from his 30-06, leaving him black and blue for days after shooting.  The guy I am thinking about shoots a 700 Remington and 150 gr. factory loads.
  Perseption certainly is a funny thing.
 

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Technique sure does make a difference.  I've always shot from the bench with my left hand controlling the rear bag, and letting th forend go where it wanted to.  This worked fine up through .30-06.

When I started fooling around with my father-in-law's .338 Win Mag this didn't cut it anymore!  Had to start putting a firm grip on the forend with the left hand.

But, on the plus side, the .338 with the firm grip doesn't kick noticeably worse than the -06 did (held loosely).  So a change in technique allowed me to step up to a bigger caliber without a noticeable increase in felt recoil (though actual recoil was of course greater).
 

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Mike C,

Your load is not a max load. Your Freedom Arms can easily handle a hotter load than this but please approach it carefully.

A "typical" heavy load (360 grain LBT at 1600 fps) can be very severe in recoil, especially if you have a shorter barrel.

Have fun and be safe!
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