Well my dad successfully harvested a 150lb 8point buck over the weekend using the 270 load I mentioned at the beginning of this thread at a distance of 80-100yards. Its tough to judge bullet performance because of poor shot placement on his part. The deer was chasing a doe and my dad bleated twice on his grunt with no response from the buck. This third grunt got the buck to stop, almost broad side(turned a little toward him) but the near shoulder was in the rear position. My dad normally shoots behind the front shoulder, and he did this time also. This put the shot about 6" further back than where it should have been. Pretty much a gut shot deer. Small entrance wound, exit wound(according to dad 1", according to brother 1.5"). They found a piece of the liver about the size of a fist on the ground where deer was shot. Deer ran between 50-75 yards depending on who I spoke to. Funny how two different people who were both there can have such differences in their stories. Brother and Dad both very happy with bullet performance. I'm not going to make a judgment call off of a bad shot. Neither one could tell me if it hit ribs going in or not.