[gssixgun]

So over the last few months I have been moving my wife's Christmas boxes and tubs out of my shop and into a Rail Container we put in
Amazing !!! I found things out there I forgot I had stashed

One such find is a Sporterized Chilean Mauser 1895 it was re-barreled probably in the 60's or 70's to 30-06 the barrel has a stamp the looks like a backwards P with K on the front

I have never shot the rifle I acquired it from a friend that wanted me to put a new stock on it about 25 years ago but we lost touch over the years and moves across the country by both of us..
Unfortunately I heard covid took him out last year, so the chances of reconnecting no longer exist

Short story I found the barreled action and was thinking of having JES re-bore it to 35 Whelen

Doing a little research shows that these 30-06 change overs are frowned on using the Mauser 1895 small ring action
Looking at the chamber pressures especially for the 35 Whelen they look compatible in the 48000 range

Anyone have hands on info about these

Once again The Barrel is NOT original

Thoughts ???

 

[Darkker]

As a correction to note.
The Whelen was 52,000 CUP, whereas the 06 was 50,000 CUP; so if the action is in question, you'd be going in the wrong direction.

Cheers

 

[JBelk]

That action is suitable for the 7x57 ammo of the day. They are NOT to be used for high pressure cartridges. Some were done for NATO in 7.62 and weren't suitable for use.

 

[DarkLord]

Many have had success with the higher pressure cartridges, but I like to keep cartridges as close to the cartridge they were designed for. .257 Roberts (a favorite of mine)6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, 9x57... That covers a lot of game, but most of these are more appropriate for reloaders.

 

[tdoyka]

i have a '95 Chilean Mauser action that probably will go 6.5x57 Mauser. my son has a '16 Spanish Mauser (based on 93 Mauser) in 6.5x55 Swede. don't forget the 9.3x57 Mauser, i have one in a Husqvarna m46 (96 Mauser), it's my #2 rifle. i have as my #1 rifle a Winchester m94 in 35/30-30 (JES Reboring).

95 Chilean

16 Spanish

m46

 

[JBelk]

Here's the reality of all the early Mausers. They're fine until they start setting back the lugs which increases headspace and set the lugs back further BECAUSE they're only lightly 'case' hardened and only on the interior surface of the action. They'll take an astounding amount of abuse (inflicted by me) and keep shooting but with decreasing amounts of safety. Since there is no safety lug to stop the damage, some rifles sold in the '60s were total wrecks and not safe with the cheap ammo sold with them.
Shot with tight headspace and sensible loads, they're great. Hotrodded and overloaded they can cover you in dragon's breath and convince ANY shooter to stop and consider.

 

[Bong Son Buck]

Here's the reality of all the early Mausers. They're fine until they start setting back the lugs which increases headspace and set the lugs back further BECAUSE they're only lightly 'case' hardened and only on the interior surface of the action. They'll take an astounding amount of abuse (inflicted by me) and keep shooting but with decreasing amounts of safety. Since there is no safety lug to stop the damage, some rifles sold in the '60s were total wrecks and not safe with the cheap ammo sold with them.
Shot with tight headspace and sensible loads, they're great. Hotrodded and overloaded they can cover you in dragon's breath and convince ANY shooter to stop and consider.

 

[JBelk]

There's a familiar name not seen in a long time! Welcome back!

 

[Bong Son Buck]

I'd like to mention that the Spanish re-barreled a lot of these to the dimensionally identical 7.62X51 Spanish prior to joining NATO. This round operated at a lower pressure than what we commonally use and see.

 

[jdsingleshot]

Every design has its limits. I have a '93 that I rebarreled to its original 7X57. I stay below the loading manual limits and like the rifle very much. It's as accurate as I can be. Also have a '93 that I rebarreled to .222 Remington. I have shot lots of MOA groups with that one.

I like the looks of the '93/'96 Mausers better than the '98s.

 

[Mecanik]

I think it would surprise all of us if we watched a video of someone trying to blow up a 93/95 Mauser action on purpose. It would be interesting to say the least. My guess is they are much stronger than we would imagine it to be and in the end would be entirely safe to shoot 30-06 in it. But that's just a guess....🤔

 

[jdsingleshot]

I think it would surprise all of us if we watched a video of someone trying to blow up a 93/95 Mauser action on purpose. It would be interesting to say the least. My guess is they are much stronger than we would imagine it to be and in the end would be entirely safe to shoot 30-06 in it. But that's just a guess....🤔

The thing is, if pressures are kept below what would burst a case, the gun will not blow up. But some of the early Mausers can't take the bolt thrust of high pressure cartridges and develop dangerous head space. I have a '93 in .222 R . I have loaded rounds that loosened the primers, but bolt thrust from those was nowhere near dangerous levels.

 

[unclenick]

Yes. It's not a question of the strength being inadequate as they were when they came off the factory floor. Rather, it's their greater propensity to fatigue their lugs with repeat firings of higher pressure rounds. The lack of a safety lug means that if the bolt and receiver lugs fail, there is nothing to stop the bolt from shooting back into your face when such a failure occurs. It's a case of the fact it can handle a proof load when it is new not predicting longevity because the base steel's resilience is inadequate for higher pressure repeat firings.

 

[Bong Son Buck]

There is the "other thing" that differs from the '98. The bolt sleeve has a gas deflecting flange on the "98, where as the earlier Mausers don't. To me, it would seem to be the area of the likeliest area of concern, should there be a case failure.

 

[JBelk]

As a mid-teenager, M95s were $9.95 at Sears. I had read an article about how Mausers were better suited that any other to protect the shooter and briefly explained why. I did my own experiments on three M-95 Mausers and a couple Carcanos a Jap 6.5 and a VZ-24.

The first M95 was a junker that pierced a primer with the first surplus round shot by string. I took it out of the stock, rigged support and holes to put the action in on old mailbox lined with butcher paper. That rifle went through a lot of test.
The M95 sheds gas different than a M98 but still block backwards debris from a sharp firing pin/eroded bolt face-FP hole.
When primers blow out from overloads, the M95 is inferior to the M98s.
When case heads blow, a flinch is installed no matter the rifle, but the M98 shooter is probably not bleeding.
In no case, no matter how purposefully severe, did a bolt become displaced from the action. Set back and brass plated, yes.

There is no tension like closing the bolt on a round guaranteed to be a grenade.

 

[jdsingleshot]

Appreciate your experiments. Too many people just bloviate with only second- or third-hand knowledge. They are usually the loudest too.

 

[JBelk]

I would strongly suggest youngsters not follow my 'firecracker in a cow patty' methodology. In the late '50s when I was sucking up every scrap of knowledge I could find, it was obvious much of the popular writing was meant to sell guns, not learn about them. A large box of early American Riflemans were a treasure with article by Hatcher and his friends that had real information. I latched onto the 'safety of the infantryman' article that explained Mauser's design philosophy and how he had attained it. Some of it was comparing the safety record of the Garand to the 1903 Springfield and specifically called out the gas leakage potential of the Springfield as compared to the Mauser. I had all three at the time, so became aware of the problems of protecting against two entirely different 'blow up' events common in infantry weapons.
Then Sears put surplus rifles on sale so cheap it made no sense to order them by mail. Carcanos, M95 Chileans and M93 Spanish were cut from $14 to $10. SMLEs, Krags and most M-98s were $20 and up. Ammo was a dollar a pack of ten rounds in stripper clips.
I wish I had the M-95 action that took all the pistol powder it would hold. Sprung, bulged, brass plated and gas cut. It collapsed the main spring permanently. My daddy found out about the big noises behind the barn about that time.
We duplicated some at gunsmith's school but not as part of the regular curriculum but encouraged as 'experience gathering'. Extractors and collars are Mauser expendables. Have plenty of extras.

the picture is just to remind the younger members how many rifles were made surplus. That's only 8,000 of over a million produced.

 

[Darkker]

To answer your question JD, there is an "edit feature" easily found in the menu on the right. This is explained, with pictures; in the FAQ.

Cheers

 

[jdsingleshot]

To answer your question JD, there is an "edit feature" easily found in the menu on the right. This is explained, with pictures; in the FAQ.

Cheers

Thanks, I did find it. wonder why it's hiding...

 

[scpaul]

I'd like to mention that the Spanish re-barreled a lot of these to the dimensionally identical 7.62X51 Spanish prior to joining NATO. This round operated at a lower pressure than what we commonally use and see.

That lower pressure 7.62 x 51 is called CETME.