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Has anybody heard/shot one of Smith's new 625 Mountain Gun's in 45 LC?

Sure looks like a handy revolver, and they seem to at least be thinking of re-negoitating their control agreement.  I guess they've dropped the one they had with the city of Boston.

Here's Smith's link
http://www.smith-wesson.com/misc/m625mount.html
 

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Al338,

IMHO, it's the closest thing to the perfect handgun.

Mine's an original MG series (629-3?), it's one of my favorite possessions -- more accurate than I can shoot, with just about any load.  A wonderful piece.  You can load it down to .44spl/.45auto power and shoot all day or up to fire breathing "how does it hold together?!" power.

It's not as strong as a Ruger, etc, but I only shoot light 44 spl loads, in mag cases, for all my practice (and continually put the same super-hots in for wilderness stomping.  It's uncomfortably lightweight for repeated big loads).  The .45LC would be an even better call than the .44 for it's intended purpose.  I did have a gunny go over it with the factory tune up package, which made a great thing better.

The Milt Sparks model 200 "Keith" holster goes along with it like eggs and bacon.

I'm glad I bought it before the whole legal thing happened, avoiding a moral dilemma.

Charlie
 

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Moral dilemma indeed.  Dang!!!
 

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alyeska338,

The folks I shot with in Florida for 5 months this past winter all shot Model 625 5" .45ACP. Their common opinion was that it was the most accurate revolver for the money.

My recent experience with their customer support was outstanding. Turned the gun around in less than one week (portal to portal) and fixed the problem(s) that I created with an overload...which I admitted to. My local outlet has started carrying them again, their comment was that the restrictions had been significantly relaxed. This doesn't take the place of their management making a formal statement refuting their previous poor decisions. At the risk of getting shot at, while I do understand the "better dead than red" emotions with the S&W decisions, I wonder what I'd have done if I had the responsibility to the workers and others. The financial drain of law suits, etc. must have made it a very difficult decision.

As you say, a moral decision.

Dan
 

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None of the people now in Springfield had anything to do with dancing with slick willie.  Even during the worst part of the debaucle, customer service was up and running and doing their best to churn out customer satisfaction.  

The best thing managers and owners can do is to stay out of the way and let the line employees do their stuff.  This seems to be exactly what the new Safe-T Smith and Wesson Co. people are doing.  The previous ownership was nothing but a bunch of Euro-Socialists and they are gone now.
 

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Dont know for fact, but a rumor from RSR distributors (sp) is that the buy out  money to get S&W away from the "Euro-Socialist" came from the "Mormans" I guess if they can own Safeway and other Co's why not. I dont have hard rock proof  but its not the first time I've heard this said.

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Ive had mine for about six months now, and I can't say enough good things about it!  The balance of this revolver is almost perfect for my hand.  The 4" bbl. makes for a nice carry length, and it's also tapered so as not to be to heavy.  Accuracy so far, as of yesterday 800 rounds, is excellent.
 I'v found that mine shoots the Sierra's 240 JHC very well.  I'm using 6gr. of Universal clays or 7gr. of clays.  I talked to Smith, Hodgdon, and Sierra, all recommend keeping handloads at just about 1000fps.  I'm waiting on Marshalls 265Keith bullet to try some loads in that one also.  
 Also, just for plinking, Magtech's Cowboy loads are great... moving about 750-800, light to moderate recoil, and Very accurate.
 The rubber Hogues feel almost natural when you grip the revolver, but I'm thinking about a set of grips modeled after Mr. Keith's guns.  My buddy put Hogues "secret service" style grips on his, but to me this gun needs a fuller grip, Iguess that is just personal choice.  
 If you find one, my recommendation is to buy it and not look back!   <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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Mine came with Pachmyers, light and flat (good carry grip), but they pinch the web with heavy loads.  I found a set of genuwine S&W N frame round grip handles at a show that are really very comfortable. I think they came on a long barrelled round grip sillouette model a couple of years ago.  They feel good for big loads and fill your hand.

There's nothing wrong with the stock Hogues; though they are a little small for me.  A lot of knowledgables use the smooth Jordan grip, which looks kinda like a Colt grip.

Charlie
 

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Well now, what a co-inky-dink.

It seems that one of these rascles was calling my name. I hate it when they do that. Worse even is when your buddy has a FFL and just happens to know where one of the elusive critters lies.

I expect a call today saying that the package has arrived.

My hope is that it shoots as good as it feels (a local shop had one at an outrageous "collectors" price&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

Charlie, perhaps you could send me some data on your "heavy" loads? I got some good info from Tim Sundles for starting loads with a 300gr LBT but am looking for data pertainant to this particular handgun. My thoughts were that it would be a usefull package for an all around DA companion. I am also interested in general purpose loads with cast bullets.

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Coldfingers:

 I have been told by Smith and by several of the powder mfgs. not to go too hot with this firearm.  Smith recommends staying about 1000fps and not too much more for a steady diet.
 I'm sure the 625 could handle a "hot" load, but what Smith told me was it's not the frame, but the lockup and internals that will "loosen" with repeated firings of big stuff.
 I have carried the Corbon 45"mag" stuff on occasion in the woods, when I did'nt feel like using my Blackhawk.  I'm sure with Marshall's bullets you could mix up some big 300's or 325's at about the 1000fps velocity.;)
 Either way, good luck with the Smith!  I'm crazy 'bout mine.  You'll love the balance of the firearm.  If you are lucky, yours will come with the elusive wood grips a few have shipped with! <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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m141a,

Thank you for the reply. I have no desire to beat myself or the gun up.

What has been your experience with Cast bullets in the Smith. My Ruger needed major work (chamber size) and is off to Reeder for a 5 shot cylinder with proper sized holes in it.

The info I got for the 300 grainers (cast) was to stop at 1150 fps using H110 and not feed it a steady diet of these.

My dealer uses a .44Mag Mtn Gun and runs it hot alot. He also is on almost a first name basis with the folks at Smith for getting it tightened up again. He likes the gun so much that he is willing to live with the maintainance.

I am looking foreward to seeing just what the Smith is capable of in the great old .45

With luck it should enjoy lots of travel time.

Scotty
 

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I shoot ALOT of magtech's cowboy loads thru mine for punching paper.  The bullets they load are .452 RNFP 250's.  I experience mininmal leading in the bbl, and no "shaving" around the forcing cone.  These run out at about 850fps, mild recoil, and pretty darn accurate!  I've Handloaded some Sierra 240 JHC bullets with 9.7gr.universal clays from Hodgdon, these are very accurate also, but I have yet to chrony them.  According the the manual, they should be moving 'bout 700-750fps.  I accidently put 1 round from my Blackhawk loads(same bullet, only H110 moving 1350fps)...won't do that again!  The pistol handled it fine, meaning recoil was bearable, but STIFF!  Remington's 255 factory loads are good shooters too!  I ahve on order with Marshall, some 265Keiths and some 300's...  When they finally get here I'll load those to be fired from the Blackhawk and my Winchester Trapper .45.

FWIW,  hope this helps!  :O
 

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This is helping alot.

I am glad to know that the Smith handled the Ruger load without damage since I just got done putting ALL (I hope) of my heavy Ruger loadings in RED boxes labled as such.

My goal here is a DA that handles more like my .357 carry gun so that I do not get cornfused if things start to happen fast.
 

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If you stick to moderate loads, I think you'll have your ".357" and a little more!  This gun, for me, is as close to a natural pointer as I think I'll ever get.  As I said B4, the Cowboy stuff and the Remingtons are good shooters.  My buddy bought one 3 months after me, and he exclusively shoots the Winchester stuff.  I cannot find ANY of the Winnie locally, and as I purchased a case of the Magtech at a show, I'll stick to that.
 What are you gonna do for a holster?  I had a 7 1/2" Redhawk that I sold, but being lefty, nobody needs the leather as an accompaniment.  I went to my local cobbler and had him cut down the Hunter holster I had.  It now appears to look just like a Keith style holster w/ a thumbstrap.  The best part is that the part he cut off became a magazine holder for my Sig229 once he sewed a loop upon it!
 Good luck with the 625!  I'll be curious to know how you make out!<!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

 Be well

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I have a .45 Colt Mountain Gun 625-6, well almost, the S&W service shop has it now.

 Mine has a large cylinder gap, .450 cylinder throats and a huge amount of constriction in the barrel, though though frame. This all led to the predictable results of leading, blow by and poor acuracy.
 
I bought it nearly new "as is" at a gunshow for a decent price, after "bullet slip testing" the cylinder throats and slipping it a feeler gauge. So I really didn`t get any surprises. The bore was clean, but a .45 Colt, with a light barrel contour, just about guarantees fire lapping was in order.
 I was really looking for a clean M-24, but couldn`t find one. Since I had recently bought a Ruger Bisley in .45 Colt (my jump on the .45 Colt band wagon), the Mountain Gun seemed a good idea at the time and I took it home.

I put up with the leading and poor acuracy for awhile and somewhat lost intrest in it. Then out of the blue, I e-mailed S&W. Even though I wasn`t the original owner they said send it on back, they paid all the shipping.

Now I`m awaiting the results of thier "inspection" and what they intend to do about the revolver. I`m not sure what to expect. I hardly ever buy new fire arms and have never delt with any firearms companies service department.

Concerning loads, I was shooting mostly 255 RN-FP at 900 fps. I have some heavier LBT`s, bought for the Bisley, but the way the Mountain Gun was leading it seemed a waste to shoot them.
 There is a good article on John Linebaughs web site concerning loading the .45 Colt in S&W revolvers. John recommends staying around 25,000 psi. for "everyday" loads and a 32,000 psi max. Then goes on to say he has shot hundreds of 32,000 psi loads with no ill effects in his several M25-5`s.

J. Linebaughs loading data, has a 260 grain "Keith" bullet running 1426 fps at 28,000 psi and a 315 grain NEI bullet running 1283 at 29,400 psi in a 7" presure barrel.
I had shot 255 grain loads at 1200 fps in my Mountain Gun and they where plenty spunky!
     
When I get my Mountain Gun back I`m going to put some effort into working up some good loads for it. I`m intested in finding out if all the .45 Colt "hype' has any truth to it, come hunting season. I know very well how my M29 and Bisley .44 mags kill.

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Teufelhund...

I think I will cry if this gun does not measure up to my expectations.

My only other "Smith" is an old .22 Kit gun with a 4" barrel. That little gun is about as close to perfect as one can get.

I fail to understand why manufacturers cannot get things right, ot at least close.

Sign of the times I guess.

Thank you for the reminder about John L's site. I had  read all his stuff last spring but forgot that he mentioned the Smith there. The way he puts it, most of my Ruger loadings would work (or at least not break anything that day) if push came to shove.

All in all, I eagerly await the arrival of the Smith. It appears that Mr Postman did not have time today to run it up to Alaska. Rats.

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Scotty,

For the .45 Colt Smith's, try about 20 gr. of 296/H110 with 300 gr. CAST bullets.

This should yield between 1,000 and 1,100 fps.

Will be tolerable, at least a cylinder or two at a time, and shouldn't hurt the gun.  Frankly, if you had to fire more than 50 of these loads in that gun for the rest of your life, you might reconsider your choice of sidearm.

I wouldn't make it a daily habit to fire these but you'll be glad to have them in the field should Mr. Bear come along.  Also beats the snot out of a .22 mag for moose hunting... but you knew that.

Sounds like fun.  I've shot a Smith with 255 gr. SWC's at 1,000 fps and wouldn't want to shoot a whole lot of 300 gr. bullets in one.

One caveat - if you are carrying this in really cold weather, I'd personally switch to H4227 or something that would not be as temperature sensitive as the ball powders can be.
 

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Mike,

Thanks for the input. That is about what I am figguring out at this point.

Hopefully, once the "sight in" is done with the 300's, I can bring some 250's or so to point of aim without breaking the wrist.

I gotta admit that if it were not for the moose incident, I would be happy with the .357! I am also hoping that I have had my one and only DLP killing and will get through life in peace. That would make me quite content. I absolutely HATE shooting things that will not fall down and just seem to get more and more angry.

When the weather gets cold enough to put the bears to sleep again, I will switch back to the .357
 

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Something I forgot to mention about my 625-6.

In order to zero at 50 yards with 255 grains/900 fps loads, I had the factory rear sight nearly bottomed out. I swapped it out for a Millet rear sight from Brownells. They sell three different heights .312, .360 and a .416.
 I found the .312 was just the ticket for the hotter loads.

I like the all black "target" Millet rear sights and have them on several S&W and Ruger revolvers. I have yet to have one fail. The Millet offers a huge advantage in sight picture over the standard rear sights IMO.  
 
 On my short barreled N-Frames, I like the flat, gold bead "McGriven" front sights. I asked S&W to install one on my 625-6 while they have it.
 
 My Ruger Bisleys have the standard, fixed, ramp front sights. When I get around to it, I`m going to mill the "blade" off the "base", then mill a dovetail. So I can install a "proper" front sight on them as well. I find that that my standard Bisley front sights, are nearly too low with hot loads and 50 yard zeros.

Coldfingers,
I hope you have better luck with your 625-6, but you know how it is, luck of the draw really. Seems most firearms get shipped as "assembled kits" with the buyer serving as quality control. Rather pathetic cosidering the advances in CNC manufacturing.

Teuf,
 
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