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Pray for the people of Alabama, the high courts, our country, and for everyone that is touched by this tearing down of our country's foundation.

Slowly, the evil doers are succeeding in pushing God to the side and allowing the "do what feels good" attitude to permeate our society.

God help us!
 

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Unfortunately the dopes (in this case, our judicial system) don't understand that our Founding Fathers stated "freedom of religon", NOT "freedom from religon".
 

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My hat's off to Judge Moore! He's one fine gentleman, and a man of principle. Something sadly lacking in this day and age in which we live. I look at him as an outstanding example to the youth of our county of what honor and principle once meant to men of conviction.

Judge Roy Moore has put his entire career on the line with this issue, and hasn't backed down, mealy-mouthed, or soft-peddled his convictions.

Yes the tide of judical opinion has turned against God, and against Godly rule, but in that darkness there's a bright light shining.

Our Founding Fathers were men of conviction and of principle, it's really great, amid a sea of overwhelming opposition to those Godly principles, to see a man standing, as our Founding Fathers did, putting reputation, and career on the line for the Word of God.

May God Bless our sorry nation!
 

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Don't think praying goin' to help much

Our enemies are counting on us to be praying and not doing much of anything. And they push the boundary ever so much wider and we go pray. Then we go pray and while our heads are bowed they take the piece of the earth we were kneeling on to pray. It's been the same for the past 50 years.
Some day it will be illegal to pray or mention God any place outside of our bedrooms.
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arkypete said:
Our enemies are counting on us to be praying and not doing much of anything. And they push the boundary ever so much wider and we go pray. Then we go pray and while our heads are bowed they take the piece of the earth we were kneeling on to pray. It's been the same for the past 50 years.
Some day it will be illegal to pray or mention God any place outside of our bedrooms.
Jim
Kind of reminds me of a fellow named Daniel :D Seems God gave him his rewards for being faithful... but not without some trials first!

Right you are my friend.

God Bless,
 

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A NAKED MOSES?





By Pastor Kelly Boggs

September 2, 2003

NewsWithViews.com

A naked Moses – that’s what was missing from Judge Roy Moore’s Ten Commandments display! Had the Alabama Supreme Court Justice only had the shrewd sense to include a depiction of the Old Testament hero sans clothes, his memorial to the Decalogue might still be sitting in the Yellowhammer State’s judicial building’s rotunda.

Perhaps the nude Moses could have been chiseled into the side of the monument, or better yet, he could have been larger than life, holding the Tablets of the Law. Either way, the American Civil Liberties Union would have been hard pressed to file a suit demanding the removal of such a lewdly artistic work. It is simply not in the liberal organization’s nature.

The ACLU prides itself on insuring that pornography is unfettered throughout America - especially in libraries. Some of the vilest displays ever conceived in the depraved heart of man have been justified by the organization as “art.” The ACLU has even defended the North American Man/Boy Love Association against a civil law suit.

I know that Moses in the buff and holding the Commandments might offend a few card carrying ACLU types. Some would be furious over the thought of a perfectly good bare body being desecrated by, of all things, the inclusion of a religious document.

The ACLU might have still filed suit. It would, however, have been to cover the Commandments, certainly not Moses’ private parts. One of the ACLU’s greatest fears is that some innocent atheist might accidentally encounter the Ten Commandments and, horror of horrors, become a religious person. However, the organization has never shown an aversion for the public display of genitalia.

It is doubtful that even the ACLU would dare challenge Moses au naturel, even if he was holding the Commandments. Addressing the issue of freedom of speech on its web site, the ACLU states, “The First Amendment exists precisely to protect the most offensive and controversial speech from government suppression.”

On second thought, a naked Moses might not be offensive and controversial enough to stave off a lawsuit by the ACLU. Perhaps a gay Moses would do the trick?

I am not sure how one would depict a homosexual Moses. I suppose he could be posed with one hand on his hip; the opposite arm placed in an upright position sporting a limp wrist. No, that would be way too stereotypical. And besides, he couldn’t hold the Commandments. It would probably be helpful to consult the stars from the hit show “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” for aesthetic assistance.

It might be easier to portray Moses as a transvestite. Some magenta nail polish, powder blue eye shadow and a pair of stylish pumps would be a good start. A well coifed wig and a bright sun dress could complete the effect quite “tastefully.”

If nothing else, a nude, gay, or transvestite Moses hoisting the Ten Commandments would have forced the ACLU to choose between its lust for open obscenity and its loathing for public depictions of Judeo-Christian symbols.

Judge Moore’s mistake was a moral and tasteful display of a document that, while germane to the foundation of western law, is nonetheless religious. Moral, tasteful, and religious – three things that when taken together render the ACLU absolutely apoplectic.

Obscenity – like beauty – is in the eye of the beholder. To the ACLU, pornography and perversion are desirable but a public display of the Ten Commandments is lewd, crude, and socially unacceptable.

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"Obscenity – like beauty – is in the eye of the beholder. To the ACLU, pornography and perversion are desirable but a public display of the Ten Commandments is lewd, crude, and socially
 

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Very good commentary

The following is from Agapepress, September 5, 2003

Federal Judge Makes It Official -- America Now an Atheist Nation

By Donald E. Wildmon
September 5, 2003

(AgapePress) - The issue isn't a granite stone with the Ten Commandments inscribed on it. Never has been. The issue is much more diverse and important than a piece of stone.

The issue was best stated by none other than Federal Judge Myron Thompson, who said that the display of the stone containing the Ten Commandments (which also contains a host of other historical documents) is illegal. Thompson said the central, most important issue was this: "Can the state acknowledge God?"

After asking the question, he went on to answer it. "No."

That is the issue. Lest we fail to understand what has occurred here, let me explain. A single, lower-court federal judge has bluntly told every American that America is now officially an atheist nation.

In one swift stroke of the pen, Judge Thompson tossed out over 225 years of American history and law. In one swift stroke of the pen, he has instituted a new form of law based on what he wants it to be. Rex has become lex. He wears a black robe and he says he is the law.

Go back and read the First Amendment, the one Judge Thompson destroyed in the name of preserving it. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," the First Amendment says. Congress has passed no law establishing religion. But what Congress refused to do, indeed because Congress refused to do it, Judge Thompson did. He instituted as the law of the land the religion of atheism, which says there is no God.

Not only did Judge Thompson usurp the power of Congress, he also took away the rights of every individual and state. The second half of the establishment clause of the First Amendment reads: "... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

This is precisely what one lower federal judge has done. He told Americans who disagree with his official state religion of atheism that he can and will prohibit the free exercise of their religion -- unless, of course, that religion is atheism. He stripped both Congress and the people of their rights. He set himself above the law because he considers himself to be the law.

From this day forward, our entire judicial system must be based on the religion of atheism. Follow that to its logical conclusion. In the future there will be no frame of reference from which to decide law. Law will become what any person wearing a black robe and sitting in court desires it to be. The First Amendment has been ripped apart in the name of upholding it. Orwell's 1984 has arrived.

No, you will not notice any drastic changes immediately. There is still a remnant left in the hearts and minds of the current citizenry. But when that remnant dies out, those who come after us will see a big difference.

The state will become intolerant of any religion other than atheism. That, of course, will come into conflict with people of conscience whose religion differs from that of the state. That is when the persecution, quite legal I might add, will start. It was the atheist Santayana who said: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote: "The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."

Indeed, Santayana and Jefferson were right.
 

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IN GOD WE TRUST will be the next target. Look for a movement to have that removed from our money.

Most hotels don't even place Gideons Bibles in the night stands anymore.

God help us all.
 

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Okay, I don't know if this would work, but here goes:

What if the good people of Alabama decided to walk in to the rotunda (open to the public during general business hours) - organize themselves to come in, in groups of 10. Stand in two rows of 5, somewhat like a small choir - and each in turn SPEAK a commandment out loud. Do this throughout the day, tag-teaming in shifts with others of like mind - each day, every day the doors are open.

Would this make a difference? Private citizenry expressing their freedom of speech - what say you - ACLU?

Personally, I think we could have a national sign-up to have freedom-loving people from literally around the world commit to an hour or two on a predetermined day - to the point where some may be hard-pressed to get on the list - we may see such a groundswell of passion for this cause!

What do you think? Pray - Yes! Put feet to your prayers - by all means! Be His hands and voice extended to a desparately Christ-starved nation - PRICELESS!
 

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While I agree with most of whats been said here I also believe that most of us should be more concerned about whether we have allowed God to write His law (and His Grace) upon the fleshly tablets of our hearts! Just something to think about! If it is important for us to have the Ten Commandments written on stone placs and placed on public display, lets be reminded that people (lost as well as save) view our lives every day!
 

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Yes, the true issue is the gospel and seeing people saved. However, there is also the issue of a nation honoring the Lord:

Psalms 9:17 - The wicked shall be turned into ****, and all the nations that forget God.

America used to be a God honoring nation, but is trying very hard to forget the Lord and drive him out.
 

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There's only one problem in all this...

The "commandments written there are not the original 10 commandments as written by the very hand of God.. they are a "politically correct" neutered version. Compare them to what your King James bible depicts in Exodus 20. Personally, if they are altered in any way, I cannot support them.

Oh, and by the way: I believe the 10 commandmnets are still in effect and required of believers.. the 4th commandment (7th day sabbath) seems to be the "red haired child" these days, but not for my house, we shall serve the Lord.
 

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See the attached photo of the monument.

I don't know how PC the monument is... I can see that the
Commandments have been greatly simplified, but no different than what I saw in Sunday School 30 years ago.

As far as what God wrote in stone, even the KJV didn't get it quite right..ie Thou shalt not kill - where the Hebrew word is "murder" not "kill" - a very important distinction, especially for those involved in security and protection.

That notwithstanding, the real issue is, "Have we allowed Him to write His law on the fleshly tablets of our hearts?" The Mosaic Law was given to show us our utter failure in keeping
God's standard. We needed - and NEED a Saviour who can
measure up.

Thank you, Jesus for taking all of the penalty for my transgression of the law!

As a matter of fact, when Jesus was asked about the greatest commandment, He did a bit of simplification Himself,

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and ...love your neighbor as your self"

Let's keep on being the salt and light this nation needs!
 

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Thanks for the photo. I don't really see any alterations, but maybe I'm missing your point. True, the issue is not the law, but salvation, however, what's written on that stone honours God, for it elevates his word as being supreme among men.
 
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