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Over the last few weeks I have thought a great deal about this post. I know from the increasing amount of private email I have received and understand the reasons for your silence. I also think many of you are putting in orders for BTB bullets and never saying anything on the Forum. I have listened to your comments and have agreed and disagreed in the private email conversations. So...........Here are my feelings based on ground zero experience from years of working for the gun and ammo conpanies, military, and hunting on a lot of area. As I have said to you lately, I feel that I should remove myself from the Forum for the reasons I've stated to you.
First of all, I have said to you that this Forum was started and supported by a small dedicated group who shoot hard cast bullets. But by no means is there any reason others can't state their types of shootig.
Two...I do understand that the majority hunting is not big bears! I have tried to get someone who has killed a big bear to give their thoughts. So far none. Until I see actual experience with them, I consider what they are talking about theory! And to the young man that was badly cut up down at Palm Harbor...Those 150 sticthes have taught you the bitter lesson to use a handgun that is within your capabilities. I only wish the BS artist that sold you that gun and ammo was the one cut up! You are very lucky that your friend had that Smith .357, because you could not have survived a second pass of that Tusker with you on the ground!
Third..Yes, there are other fine firearms than just lever actions. Your pump guns and semiautos have as much place as leverguns. I have all kinds as you know. You have as much place on the Forum as any.
Yes, I believe that a 400+ pound Razorback just as danerous as a big bear! They both will kill you quick. I have no actul experience with killing a big bear. In fact the only bear I ever killed was only half grown and I killed it with a standard 45 Long Colt. So...I can only tell you what I have used over the years on hundreds of big hogs. I once saw Sonnie Youngblood ricochet a 250 gr bullet from a .35 Whelen off the shield of a big boar without killing it. The angle was acute. The hog was killed moments later. Under the shield there was at least 12 inches of bloodshot meat and two broken ribs, but he could still have killed you!
Fourth...I agree that some of the groups that are talked about done with a pistol are smaller than I can do with a rifle. However you have heard me say, forget that and pratice on a 10/12" paper plate. When you can hit that at the yardage you want, go hunting!
Fifth....Yes, buckshot does have it's place in hunting...look at it this way..There are a world of deer killed with a bow from a tree stand. You can bet that any deer in bow range is dead meat with #1, #0, #00, #000! And if you can't hit with your pistol past 50 yards, go hunting!
So.....don't let these people who shoot these big pistols intimidate you! That's their Forte! They are not killing any more game than you are, if as much. I bet it's like when the .44 Mag first came out. Those that kept them, back the ears back a little. That's why the companies dropped ther loads back! After all it's meat on the ground that counts, not paper punching.
Yes, I do have quite a few friends at Speer and Accurate Arms, They were with the old Alcan group that turned into Smith & Wesson, then went to Speer, and some like Ted Curtis on to Accurate Arms. Yes, You can depend on Ted Curtis' people to give you the straight scoop as to what bullet goes across the clock at what velocity If someone gets different readings, let them argue with the powder companies. Yes, they use actual guns and list those guns in their data. Yes, there are other good powders beside Hodgdon. Use what you have confidence in.
Yes, contrary to Northern attitudes, we run deer and hogs with dogs! Yes, I understand that game in the South is more nocturnal and dogs do get game up moving. No, I don't give a d%#*, what they say about our dogs, since they don't don't know what they are talking about and much less our traditions South!
Above all, please give the Forum a try...there are some good people on it. When you come aboard, talk abut actual experiences, not something someone is putting out to sell specialized products. You might just find others then come aboard. Yes. I will always try to answer your questions based on what I have seen!
Best Regards, James
First of all, I have said to you that this Forum was started and supported by a small dedicated group who shoot hard cast bullets. But by no means is there any reason others can't state their types of shootig.
Two...I do understand that the majority hunting is not big bears! I have tried to get someone who has killed a big bear to give their thoughts. So far none. Until I see actual experience with them, I consider what they are talking about theory! And to the young man that was badly cut up down at Palm Harbor...Those 150 sticthes have taught you the bitter lesson to use a handgun that is within your capabilities. I only wish the BS artist that sold you that gun and ammo was the one cut up! You are very lucky that your friend had that Smith .357, because you could not have survived a second pass of that Tusker with you on the ground!
Third..Yes, there are other fine firearms than just lever actions. Your pump guns and semiautos have as much place as leverguns. I have all kinds as you know. You have as much place on the Forum as any.
Yes, I believe that a 400+ pound Razorback just as danerous as a big bear! They both will kill you quick. I have no actul experience with killing a big bear. In fact the only bear I ever killed was only half grown and I killed it with a standard 45 Long Colt. So...I can only tell you what I have used over the years on hundreds of big hogs. I once saw Sonnie Youngblood ricochet a 250 gr bullet from a .35 Whelen off the shield of a big boar without killing it. The angle was acute. The hog was killed moments later. Under the shield there was at least 12 inches of bloodshot meat and two broken ribs, but he could still have killed you!
Fourth...I agree that some of the groups that are talked about done with a pistol are smaller than I can do with a rifle. However you have heard me say, forget that and pratice on a 10/12" paper plate. When you can hit that at the yardage you want, go hunting!
Fifth....Yes, buckshot does have it's place in hunting...look at it this way..There are a world of deer killed with a bow from a tree stand. You can bet that any deer in bow range is dead meat with #1, #0, #00, #000! And if you can't hit with your pistol past 50 yards, go hunting!
So.....don't let these people who shoot these big pistols intimidate you! That's their Forte! They are not killing any more game than you are, if as much. I bet it's like when the .44 Mag first came out. Those that kept them, back the ears back a little. That's why the companies dropped ther loads back! After all it's meat on the ground that counts, not paper punching.
Yes, I do have quite a few friends at Speer and Accurate Arms, They were with the old Alcan group that turned into Smith & Wesson, then went to Speer, and some like Ted Curtis on to Accurate Arms. Yes, You can depend on Ted Curtis' people to give you the straight scoop as to what bullet goes across the clock at what velocity If someone gets different readings, let them argue with the powder companies. Yes, they use actual guns and list those guns in their data. Yes, there are other good powders beside Hodgdon. Use what you have confidence in.
Yes, contrary to Northern attitudes, we run deer and hogs with dogs! Yes, I understand that game in the South is more nocturnal and dogs do get game up moving. No, I don't give a d%#*, what they say about our dogs, since they don't don't know what they are talking about and much less our traditions South!
Above all, please give the Forum a try...there are some good people on it. When you come aboard, talk abut actual experiences, not something someone is putting out to sell specialized products. You might just find others then come aboard. Yes. I will always try to answer your questions based on what I have seen!
Best Regards, James
