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Walt45,

I must say you sure stay on top of gun-related topics and are First to post it here. Well Done! In NH there is a Constitutional Carry Bill on the governor's desk like this recently enacted Maine carry law. As an old LEO, I know ALL the Bad Guys are carrying, so why not allow the honest citizens to carry? The Sarah-Brady FOLKS will go nuts at this law, but what could be more fair? Bad guys will not know if their intended victim is armed. Let's keep them guessing! Now, THAT is Rehabilitation at its finest.

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Yep, good decision by Maine. I'm surprised the State Police supported it but local police didn't. I wonder if that's accurate or not.
 

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Constitutional

This is the way, whole of USA.
 
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So, you would allow felons to have the same right as law abiding citizens??
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Carrying the gun is not what makes him a felon - using it illegally is. Knowing, that allowed by law there may be a number of good guys with hidden guns around may prevent the felony.

The right to carry either openly or concealed must be inalienable by everyone, without the need for a permit - meaning permission - otherwise only those planning to commit a crime will carry it concealed.
 

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Jim, right now the felon that wants to carry a gun does it "concealed". So, Maine's new law doesn't change that fact one iota. The law doesn't give him the right to carry and doesn't change his status as a convicted felon.
 

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Life sentence

Interesting aside.

To get a felony conviction - you must be adjudged guilty by a jury comprised of 12 of your peers!

A felony crime being one that carries a sentence of minimum 12 months (or more) incarceration (jail time).

However NOW - its possible to get "a life sentence" in the court of petty sessions in front of just a magistrate (no jury) for a traffic violation!. (I kid you not).

How?

Easy - get caught spinning your wheels!.

Thats it.... a skid will get you a life sentence that never re sets to zero as long as you live.

Here spinning your wheels, loud engine revving, or skidding, or exceeding a posted speed limit by 45kph (28mph) - & its a charge called 'hooning' & we have strict new laws that defy all principles of justice.

Your accuser is a police constable.
Your ONLY defense is "to prove you didn't do it".

Get caught for it - 3 times in your life and your 'vehicle' you are driving at the time, car/truck etc irrespective of who owns it (rental, company car, etc) irrespective of its value (rolls royce/ferrari etc) is seized by the state and crushed.

You lose the right to a drivers license for LIFE!

So your first 2 offenses are in effect "life sentences" - you might drive fire trucks, or ambulances rescuing and saving peoples lives for a living even but NOTHING you ever do, can 'compensate' to re set your cumulative lifetime record back to zero - you carry those court of petty sessions convictions - with no jury trial, with you for LIFE & they NEVER re set back to zero!

If you get even ONE conviction for this heinous crime... (spinning a wheel in the wet, skidding, or speeding by 30mph over limit) - you are "ineligible" for a decade / 10 years to be recruited into the police service.

So caught /convicted once at 18 you couldn't apply for the Police academy until age 28 assuming you haven't been caught again in that decade.

Of course by the time your 28 and driving road trains making $250K a year, you already have a lifetime career, and are hardly going to want to join the police at $60 - $80k a year are you?

As a result, we can't recruit locally anywhere NEAR enough 'sensible upstanding young men' into our police force - so we recruit overseas forces 'failures/rejects' from the UK mostly!. :rolleyes:

THIS is what happens when your apathetic and don't stand up for your civil liberties and rights and you allow pillock bureaucrats to give themselves too much power.

Draconian doesn't even START to describe it.:mad:
 

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So, you would allow felons to have the same right as law abiding citizens??
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Easternhunter,
WHY do you ASSUME the Maine "Constitutional Carry" Law WILL permit criminals to carry? NO Constitutional Carry State arms criminals; They are ALREADY ARMED and PROHIBITED FROM GUN OWERSHIP by EXISTING State and Federal LAW! What is your QUESTION? Further, why do you not understand Civil Rights for honest citizens? Criminals are PROHIBITED from gun carry and in too many states, Honest citizens are as well. Maine has done it RIGHT. Maine has NOT disarmed Criminals in Maine by this legislation, but now the state LEVELED the FIELD for the honest Citizens. Why do you have a problem with that?

Are you SERIOUS????

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Interesting aside.

To get a felony conviction - you must be adjudged guilty by a jury comprised of 12 of your peers!

A felony crime being one that carries a sentence of minimum 12 months (or more) incarceration (jail time).

However NOW - its possible to get "a life sentence" in the court of petty sessions in front of just a magistrate (no jury) for a traffic violation!. (I kid you not).

How?

Easy - get caught spinning your wheels!.
We all get (and keep) the governments we deserve, do we not - because mostly we are too unconcerned to collectively exercise our democratic powers of recall at the first breach of constitutional law that our elected official allows the unelected but salaried state employee to commit. 200 official, active, safe sanctuaries for criminals paid for by tax money are testimony to that.

As you noted: "THIS is what happens when your apathetic and don't stand up for your civil liberties and rights and you allow pillock bureaucrats to give themselves too much power."
 
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So, you would allow felons to have the same right as law abiding citizens??
A convicted felon has no Rights. Felons forfeit their Rights when they choose a life of crime. They cannot vote, and they cannot own a gun. It is far easier to get a warrant to search a felon's abode than it is to search yours or mine. Yes, they can speak freely-- but what they may flippantly say about bringing harm to someone is taken seriously by law enforcement. They have to report to their parole officer, and answer his questions about where the felon was at some certain time and does he know anything about a mugging, robbery or murder that took place several days or weeks ago? A criminal has certain Rights, but not as many as you or me. Nor are his Rights as "full and rich" as your or mine. Per a felon having a gat under his coat, they care not about the law. They will have any sort of weapon they want or can get. There is no Right for a convicted criminal to have a weapon. They have them outside the law, and they don't care that they do...
 

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So, you would allow felons to have the same right as law abiding citizens??
Jim
From the link...
While background checks are required by federal law when someone purchases a gun at a licensed gun dealer, they aren’t required for private sales in Maine.
The law still applies to the felon in question. Nothing has changed other than you don't need a permit to carry concealed (in Maine). If it is discovered that he is indeed a felon then he is in illegal possession of a firearm.
 
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Speaking of Felonies!

You guys/gals do know that carrying a firearm either open or concealed within 1000 of a School Zone without a permit is a FELONY right?

Even though Main has given permission to carry without a permit, the Federal Government still considers it a Felony to do so near a school.
 
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