I know that they are doing well with the 90 gr VLD's in 26" 223 barrels at 1000 yd matches, as outlandish as that seems to those who are ignorant of the "poodle shooter" and its potential. I am curious what loads they use, what velocity they get. I heard 2800 fps. If so, the 223 is running only about 10% behind the factory 243 Winchester. That seems weird, for such a reduction in case volume.