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I have a chance to pick up a six shot custom firearm that that pushes a 600 gr( yes, 600 gr) LBT type bullet at a MV of 1502 '/" for a ME of 3017 '/lbs, That should take care of about anything, including "Mr. Griz". Recoil is not bad and you can reload it.
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Mr Gates,

This gun sounds awesome! If you can afford it and want it I say go for it! I have a suspicion that it will have found a good and loving home. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

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Ray C.

p.s.  I always read your posts, they are very informative to a rookie reloader.
 

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Sixgun...Thank you for the kind words! There are no rookies, newbies, etc here on this Forum....We are all on the same road, just some of us have been traveling it a little longer and I hope the older heads will keep leaving signposts for the one's coming along!....I shot this gun today and will wait for a few more post before I describe it! I was impressed, to say the least!
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James,
That wouldn't be a 12 ga slug gun would it? Very good medicine for bear, pretty much standard equipment for a lot of folks - as long as you have it with you when you need it!

I have heard brenneke (sp) slugs reccomended as having the best penetration. Have you ever done any tests in this area?
 

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Dear Friends All...I thought I'd get a better run on this one! You fellas seem to think I've got something up my sleeve and you know I would not try to pull the wool over your eyes!!!!!!!!!!
Well, let me describe this custom firearm and it's a dilly...It started out as a Winchester Mod 12 3" mag waterfowl gun with a solid rib. The barrel was damaged in a boating accident. The barrel was cut to 20" and tubes put in. It has a modified Willian's ramp with a Fire Sight on front. The rear sight is a Williams WGRS on the receiver with a Ghost Ring. It has a mag extension, bands, and sling swivels. All this finished up with a fine sand blast and Brownell's Teflon baked on finish! He has one tube with lands and grooves to shoot plain cast Foster slugs( like a English Paradox gun), one tube (very tight) for turkey, and various others for general shooting. The action is fine tuned, with a great trigger. The old walnut stock has a hand rubbed Tung Oil finish. It pushes the German 600 gr slug into tight little clusters at 75 yards!!!!! This is the best custom Mod 12 I have ever had the pleasure to handle....No, it's not for sale!
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Eric,

Yes the Rottweil-Brennke slug does penetrate a great deal more than the typical Forster design. Many years ago friends and I were "testing" penetration with some 2X4's we bought for the purpose. We cut them into lengths of about 10" or so and lined them back to back
in carboard boxes. I used a Benelli M1 Super 90 with a 20" barrel. I can't remember the exact counts but the Brennekes penetrated about one-third again as many boards as the Forsters. They were probably in Federal or Winchester loads, as that it what I usually shot at the time. The main reason is the Brenneke is a much
harder alloy. I also think that it's sharp, wadcutter-like shoulder helps in cutting flesh and blood vessels. The Forster tends to push same out of the way. Still you've got a awfully wide push!
 

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Eric...Yes, I hunted overseas with a J.P.S.& S. Drilling with double 16 bore on top and 8x57mm Rimmed under. The Brenneke slugs are the most under estimated load on the market in the States. Their penetration and wound channel is quite impressive!!!! Much better than the American Foster Type slug! I've seen Ithaca slug guns shoot amazing groups with them. The Italian and Ausrtian hunters knock over Elk size Hirsch all the time. The wildhogs over there look like baby tanks!!!!Some of the Boars go 500/600 pounds. These slugs do them in well! Two interesting additions to the Brenneke line is the 3" mag and the 3" .410 slugs. I tested some of the 3" .410's amd they are nasty!!!
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This is funny!

I was just thinking of asking about the Brenneke slugs today.

Does anybody know of a good source for these slugs? I had used these a number of years ago in my 870 with a 20" bbl and my dad's Ithaca 37 Deerslayer with a 26" bbl. These were some of the most accurate slugs I have ever shot in these guns!

As far as game performance, They are like having a giant LBT bullet! The two deer we had gotten that year did not stop either of those slugs. Blew right through them both and down within about 30 yds. Shots were around 30-40 yds long.


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Contender,
Here is the link to the Brenneke home page. It has a link to their dealer list - might help.  http://www.dnrws.com

James,
That sounds like a pretty sweet shotgun. I noticed remington is offering a copper hollow point slug in a sabot for 12 ga. slug guns. Would a beartooth LBT work in a sabot for a 12 ga.? Seems like it would penetrate much better than this hollow point copper thing remington is offering.  see  http://www.remington.com/ammo/PAGES/shotshell/pcs_sabsl.htm
 
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