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35 caliber choices

I enjoy my 358 Winchester. It is a slam down round on deer and powerful enough for all but the great bears. I load a 200g Sierra RN with a case full (50.3g) of IMR 4064 (2625fps), with no signs of high pressure. Make the brass from 308, easy to save money. Great in a short action. If a long action th 35 Whelen on the 30-06 case is 100-150fps faster than the 358 and you can form your brass from '06 rounds. These two rounds got overlooked by the craze for higher velocity. Great damage to deer and definitely ok fro elk.
 

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I've got a CVA Hunter, chambered in 35 Remington. Also have a 358 GNR, but that's pretty obscure.

I make 35 Remington cases from 303 British brass, allowing me to safely push the pressure up to ~50,000 psi. I'm driving the 200gr FTX to around 2,350.

You could achieve the same with an Encore barrel in 358 Winchester, and your brass situation would be a lot simpler. For just punching paper, the 357 MAX is an excellent choice in a single-shot action. I don't know if I'd choose the 350 Legend, if you're a handloader, because case length is always going to be critical when a round headspaces on the mouth.
Isn't the British 303 a rimmed cartridge? 35 Rem is rimless, so how are you making 303 into 35 Rem?
 

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How about Winchester's relatively new 350 Legend? It's straight walls and specs look pretty attractive.
Its a 9mm in reality. A .35 cal rifle is .358", not .355 or .356 or .357.

For a bolt rifle, .35 Whelen or .358 Winchester are both good choices depending on what you're hunting. If you need more juice, I'd go with the .358 Norma Mag.

For an AR, the one you want is a .358 Yeti. Its built on a modified .308 case, and approximates the .358 Winchester factory loads. Great round.
 

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350 Remington Magnum headspaces on the belt, shoulder is immaterial in terms positioning in the chamber. Unless you just like the looks of it then I can't argue with that.

35 Whelen AI is a long legged good looking cartridge. Superb when paired with a 200 gr TTSX or a 225 grain TSX with some of the new powders that really boost velocity safely.

.366 bullets aren't as prevalent in a variety of weights compared to the .358, and really nothing less than 250 grains available to help stretch the trajectory. Not an issue when going after heavy game at close quarters, but in Colorado for elk hunting the ability to reach out to 350 yds is a legitimate request and it doesn't have the ability like the Whelen (AI).

Whelen (AI) with a 200 grain ttsx @2925 fps set at 1.5" high at 100 yards has 6 in of drop at 300 yds, 12 inches of drop at 350 yds. Velocity is 2392 fps and 2541 ft/lbs of energy which we know is not legitimate in terms of killing efficacy, but a number none the less.

9.3x62 with a 250 grain TSX @2500 fps at 1.5" high at 100 yards is 12" low at 300 yds, 20" low at 350 yds. Velocity at 300 yards is 2077 fps and for what energy is worth (again, nothing), 2395 foot-pounds.

The 9.3 will have a larger expanded diameter if it can expand at that reduced velocity (at only 300 yards). Past 300 yards and velocity is below 2000 FPS which is slower than what I want with any bullet and certainly a Barnes. I'm a fan of expanded frontal area so tally a point for the .366, if it does expand fully, to be consistent with what I share on this forum, even though it's ranging capabilities aren't that of the Whelen with the 200 TTSX.

The 35 Whelen (AI) can carry the 9.3x62 velocity to 500 yards which is well beyond anything I will shoot but it makes the point about practicality for my hunting needs. Tally multiple points for retained velocity and better expansion which translates to flatter trajectory and the Whelen (AI) takes it.

Any argument to the contrary based upon parent case, etc is infantile.

When you start going larger-diameter than 35 caliber in a bottleneck bolt action cartridge for any North American game, other than the big bears, I just don't see it based on my experience.
 

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Why would you make a 303 Brit into a 35 Rem :confused:

I see someone mentioned the 358 Winchester. My preference of those suggested.

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I'll second Hbonser's vote for the 35 Whelen, and even better if it's the Ackley Improved. I have that (as he does too) and my cases last forever. You don't pick up that much extra case capacity with the 35 Whelen AI (as compared, say to the 257 Roberts AI) but that case configuration really makes them last, once you go through the initial a$$ pain of fireforming.
I just took this big guy with the 225 TSX in mine loaded to just over 2800 FPS.
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.358 Winchester, .358 Norma.....does it have to be a .35? 9.3x62!
Wait, I forgot about my mini belted favorite, the .350 Rem Mag.

Why not shorten a .375 Ruger case to the length of the .350 Rem Mag. Then you get the same performance gain as the 300 PRC has over the 300 Win Mag.
 

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Wait, I forgot about my mini belted favorite, the .350 Rem Mag.

Why not shorten a .375 Ruger case to the length of the .350 Rem Mag. Then you get the same performance gain as the 300 PRC has over the 300 Win Mag.
In order to make that same claim, you would need to shorten the 375 Ruger to the same length as the 358 Norma Magnum, not the shorter still 350 RM.

It's all been done.
 

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Wait, I forgot about my mini belted favorite, the .350 Rem Mag.

Why not shorten a .375 Ruger case to the length of the .350 Rem Mag. Then you get the same performance gain as the 300 PRC has over the 300 Win Mag.
In order to make that same claim, you would need to shorten the 375 Ruger to the same length as the 358 Norma Magnum, not the shorter still 350 RM.

It's all been done.
You love to pick on me dontcha.

The .358 Norma, is it the same as .308 Norma, or .300 Norma Magnum
 

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The 358 Norma is almost the same case as the 308 Norma. The 338 and 300 Normas share the same case.

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As an aside, cell phones were 40 years in the future when I was killing elk with Dad's M99f in .358 Winchester or I'd have pictures to share. We never thought to take Mom's Brownie Hawkeye.

Now that M99f is no target rifle, but a nice bolt action in .358 Win might surprise you as well as the guys at the next bench. ;)

RJ
 

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You love to pick on me dontcha.

The .358 Norma, is it the same as .308 Norma, or .300 Norma Magnum
I don't like to pick on anyone, but I like talking about guns n' stuff.

The newer Norma Magnum offerings are not the same as the older, belted versions. The 308NM and 358NM were sister cartridges, both being shortened and "improved" rounds based on the 300/375 H&H parent, like virtually all "magnum" rounds for many years. The original Norma Mags came out in the late 50's. They were basically factory versions of a whole host of wildcats that were available at the time. Norma helped legitimize their rounds by providing factory ammo and chamber reamers, which went a long way toward establishing them as somewhat of a standard, for a time.

Then the 338 Win Mag came along and stole most of that thunder. What little popularity they retained was completely undermined by the release of the 300 Win Mag in the early 60's.

The newer Norma offerings, being based on the rimless 375 Ruger case, are probably better cartridges, but should not be confused with the older ones.

If you'd prefer I not comment on your threads, I am happy to let someone else come along and set the record straight.
 

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No question, 358 Winchester. I've had one for a number of years and fired a lot of rounds through mine, a great cartridge. Brass is readily available or easily made from .308 brass. It'll put a 200 grn bullet out up to 2700 fps. My 200 grain loads are generally around 2550 out of my 20" barrel and hammered deer.
 

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No question, 358 Winchester. I've had one for a number of years and fired a lot of rounds through mine, a great cartridge. Brass is readily available or easily made from .308 brass. It'll put a 200 grn bullet out up to 2700 fps. My 200 grain loads are generally around 2550 out of my 20" barrel and hammered deer.
200 grain bullet at 2700 is very respectable! My old favorite load for my .338 Win Mag was a 225 at around 2700. It grouped 0.6" groups, and worked like an off switch for venison.
 

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Especially out of that case! Handloader had an article a few years ago using a M77 Hawkeye with a 22" barrel and got 2750 with TAC and Norma 201. I think they had the 225 going 2550. I've had the 225 at 2450 with my BLR but never really wanted to push it as hard a bolt gun, really didn't see much need to try to wring every ounce out of it.

New Speer data also shows some impressive performance from the 35 Whelen, a 250 grn at up to 2700 fps!
 

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Especially out of that case! Handloader had an article a few years ago using a M77 Hawkeye with a 22" barrel and got 2750 with TAC and Norma 201. I think they had the 225 going 2550. I've had the 225 at 2450 with my BLR but never really wanted to push it as hard a bolt gun, really didn't see much need to try to wring every ounce out of it.

New Speer data also shows some impressive performance from the 35 Whelen, a 250 grn at up to 2700 fps!
The Whelen I don't have any interest in,but you know I love the .308 and its kids. I've been thinking about a compact Hawkeye in .338 Federal. Use it with 160 TTSX and 210 Partitions.
 
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