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Let's have a "thousand" opinions on this one: Which is the better bargain, the Winchester model 94 Trails End in 45 Long Colt, or one of the Winchester model 92 CLONES, such as Rossi, EMF, etc. How is your choice the better bargain: accuracy, wood, action, price, etc.?

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Timberwolf-

The only one of the bunch that I can comment on is the '94 Trails End.  I have one in .357 Magnum and am very happy with it overall.  Accuracy is in the 3 inch range (factory ammo) at 100 yards with a Williams F/P sight mounted.  Quality is first rate and this particular carbine does not show the tendancy to "string" shots as the barrel warms up like some do.

One diiference between this carbine and the 1892's is that the Trails End is definately more muzzle heavy, the balance is similar to that of a Winchester '94 Big Bore.

Another thought, why not wait for the Puma '92 in .454 Casull?  According to Legacy Sports Intl. they will be shipping in June.  I believe (sombody please correct me on this if I am wrong) that you will be able to shoot .45 Long Colt in the Puma '92 as well as .454 Casull.

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Timberwolf,

While I dont have a Trails End, I do have three Win M94's 1 Win M1892 and a Rossi M92SRC
A Trapper in 30-30
Custom M94SRC in 44-40 WCF
Custom Takedown M94 in 357/44 Bain & Davis
An Original M1892 in 32-20 WCF
A Rossi SRC (pre-Navy Arms W/out safety) in  45  Colt/454 Casull

I prefer the Rossi to any of the others. Wood/Metal fit ,tiger stripe Brazilian hardwood, smoothness, balance and accuracy it overshadows the rest . And parts for the Win M92 will fit with very little (if any) fitting.
As far as price comparison I really couldn't say--they were aquired over a 25 yr period.
 

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Thanks for your contribution Jack R. A couple of questions: (1) Do you want to sell your saddle ring carbine Winchester in 44-40? I've been looking for one. (2) How long have you owned your Rossi in .454 Casull? I understand that distributors started receiving their shipments 2 days ago.

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Timberwolf,

sorry but I couldnt bear to part with the 44-40, A smith friend of mine converted it from a well used 30-30 that i've had since it was NIB also the ser #is 4440XXX. As for the Rossi, I've had it for several years but only reciently had it rechambered to 454 Casull. the action in 45 Colt was long enough to handle the extra length of the 454 without any work except lengthening the chamber.
 

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Jack,
  Could you give an approximate price range of what the conversion would cost if I wanted to convert a NIB Winchester 94 in 45 Long Colt to .44-40?

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Timberwolf,
Since the action is already set up for the 45 Colt it would only cost you the price of a barrell, installation and chambering. I believe the 45 Colt is the parent case for 44-40.

The barrel price would depend on quality, and Installing/chambering should be in the 150/200 dollar range. An Octogan barrel from Green Mountain would look really nice, as would a Douglas, their match grade pistol blanks come in 27.5" length @ about 143.00. There are several makers that stock blanks in most any caliber.
Brownells always have a good selection.

HTTP://www.brownells.com If they dont have it they will point you in the right direction. Also use a search engine to find "barrel makers"
 

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Jack, a 20 inch or 16 inch barrel is what I'm wanting. That would be very sharp.

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IMHO, get the Winnie!  I have the Trapper in .45colt.  This a handy little rifle, and shooting it is almost too much fun!(I said almost)  It's got the saddle ring for the authentic look, and at about 6 pounds, you can carry it all day in the woods!<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
 

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M141a, that's a great looking rifle! The wood is excellent in appearance, and very pleasant to the eyes. It your carbine an angle eject? Have you thought about installing a large loop lever for the "cowboy" look?

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Timber;
 As I can't leave anything made of wood alone that doesn't please my eye, I stripped the Factory finish off the gun 2 days after I purchased it.  What is on it now is 5 coats of boiled linseed oil to seal the pores and then 8 coats of tung oil to bring out that nice sheen in the wood!  The picture actually does not do the Walnut justice.
 As of late, the last 2 Winchesters I bought have had Great looking walnut hidden under the BORING factory coatings.  Who ever is purchasing the wood for the Co. should really get a pat on the back. I'm working on a set of factory Ruger BH grips for a friend that are made of rosewood.  The factory didn't even really sand his grips well.  I put a light coat of stain on the rosewood to highlight the details of the grain, and boy they are gonna be pretty when they are done.  I'll post em when I'm finished, and If anybody else would like their factory wood kicked up, I'd be glad to refinish them for the cost of the supplies(about $10.00)  Here's some more nice walnut.
I often thought of changing the Lever to large loop, but as I hunt with this rifle in heavy brush, I didn't want to get caught on anything!  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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More Walnut!
 Oh, by the way Timberwolf, yes it is Angle Eject!
 

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M141a...It is absolutely smashing in appearance. This should make "Winchester" USRAC ashamed of themselves! <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

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Timberwolf, I have a Rossi '92 in 45 Colt and tried to load some 310 grain Keith style SWC bullets in it and they were too long to feed. How in the world did you get the your's to feed the Casulls?
 

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45LCMAN, Puma has just come out with their model 92 in .454 Casull. I have not seen one, but I was told by one of their "main men" that they became available to distributors about 10 days ago.

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Timberwolf, I know about the Puma and have seen a photo of one but you didn't address my question. If a 310 grain .45 Colt won't feed in my '92 Rossi how in the world did you get a longer Casull cartridge to feed in yours? I'm buffaloed!
 

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Sorry 45LC-MAN, the reason I didn't respond to the question is, I never said that I fed the longer Casull cartridge thru my Rossi. Someone else must have said or implied such. I am looking for ward to getting the Puma and feeding the .454 Casull thru it, but I haven't done so yet.

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Sorry Timberwolf. You're right. It was Jack R who had the Rossi converted. Maybe he'll see his name in print and reply for me.
 

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45LC-Man,

My Rossi is the SRC and not a Puma, it was imported by Interarms in Alexandra,VA long before Navy Arms started selling them. Don't know if there is any difference in the shell lifter or not, or if they changed their tooling after Navy Arms got their Import contract. I stumbled on its ability to  handle the 454 C after making up some loads using Lymans 325gr w/double crimp groove for my Rugers. There's still enough room for a longer OAL (about .070 more) Sorry I couldn't be of more help
 
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