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There's a pile of Colt clones out there. Is the a dimes worth of difference. I'm a Ruger shooter but like the lightness of the Colt.
Which one would be best for SASS shooting. Keep in mind I'll be shooting 45 Colt down loaded to maybe 8 grains of Unique and a 255 grain slug.
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I have a Hartford Black-powder frame model that is an outstanding shooter, and very tight dimensionally (except for the .4565" cylinder throats which is the norm anyhow for these guns).  It is also very authentic right down to the cartuche on the grip, and the markings on the frame and barrel.  An excellent piece of modern workmanship that needed no tuning or tinkering out of the box, save for a little fire-lapping to remove a constriction where the barrel shank screws into the frame (.0015").

Had a Dakota in .357 as well, and it was a great little gun, super light and slimmer than the standard SAA.  It broke two mainsprings when I had it, but those are an easy fix, and not uncommon on SAA's and clones.  The new aftermarket spring kits are outstanding and much more durable due to better heat-treating and metalurgy than those of the OEM.

Only my experience, can't comment on the rest of the litter of SAA clones out there, except that the vast majority of them have their roots in the same little valley in Italy!

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Thank you Marshall.
I tend to buy a firearm and it stays with me, so I when I plunk down my &#3629.95 I don't want to have to palm the piece off the next week.
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I've got another question..Actually two.
What is a AWA single action
What is a USFA single action

Never heard of either, can't find reference to either.
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Jim,
     AWA is American Western Arms. They basically are clones imported from that selfsame Italian valley I believe. (Perhaps assembled here, I don't recall.) I have looked at their website but don't remember the address- you'll have to do a search. I have seen a couple of their revolvers in a local shop, they were the higher grade model with the black hard rubber grips. They were beautiful guns, but I must admit I wouldn't know an "authentic" SAA replica if it bit me on the butt! But they certainly appeared to be well made and finished.                                       ID
 

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Owning colts, and several clones, here is the way I would go, if I were starting from scratch. Of course, this doesn't take cost into consideration. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Colt SAA (not a cowboy), USFA, AWA (peacekeeper), EMF (ASM premier), then anything else such as Cimmaron, EMF Uberti, AWA Longhorn, Etc.

Real colts use better materials, fit better, work better, last longer, and hold their value much much much better. If done right, you can even make some money with a set of colts. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

My usual shooter are a tuned set of AWA peacekeepers. I shoot them to keep from beating up the colts using them for SASS. Not to say the Colts won't hold up, I just don't feel guilty when the clones get a little banged up or worked hard.

If you have any questions, let me know... <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Adios
Juan Tedman
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arkypete,

The Colt and the United States Firearms are high quality due to there use of high grade steel.  The Italian companies use a lower grade steel that is much softer.  Usually the single actions can be divided into these two catagories.  Having done work on both types, I know that they can both be made into reliable shooters capable of being campaigned in SASS for years.  However, both types will have to be set up for reliabilty.  Some parts may even have to be replaced to bring them back to specs.  It is important that the parts mesh correctly to get the reliabilty and longevity that I think you may be looking for.

Both require an action job.  Both MAY have to have parts replaced.  Both can be improved with competant gunsmith work.  Beyond that handle and fire as many as possible, because they all "feel" different.
 

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Try to handle as many as you can, and get what you like best.  If you have a good dealer you trust, get his input.  The USFA is in my opinion, the best available gun going, even better than the Colts, but boy they ain't giving them away, and they will not hold their value like a Colt.  From there on, I think it's your choice.  Everybody is going to tout their favorite.  Same with calibers, you'll get more recommendations for 45 Colt than any other, but that doesn't mean those are the best choices in guns or caliber, for you.  AWA has a large vocal current following, but they have had their share of horror stories too.  I haven't/ didn't see anything to convince me they were worth more than Cimarrons.
And let's be a little realistic here, you ain't Wild Bill Hickok, and neither am I, and you do not HAVE to have a full blown action job to have fun and shoot.  Yes, you may have to replace some springs and parts, but big deal, you can buy a spare gun for what some pards spend on action jobs.  And with no tuning, I think Rugers will still outlive us all.  If you can install springs and smooth any rough spots and see that the timing is all right, you'll be okay.  Just my opinion.  And I've had a bunch of Colts and Rugers, and now all I have is some Rugers and Cimarrons.
 
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