I like 'em. Took an elk, albeit a raghorn, in Colorado one year with one, in the black timber. It was a close shot and the young bull kinda stumbled a bit and fell over. Have killed a couple of Whitetail in Northern Michigan with one too. Again, close shots, about 50 yards. Except for the availability, or lack thereof, of factory ammo I like it more than my .30-30's. OK, as much as my .30-30's then. Shot placement is the key.