Winchester 70s model 94 44-40

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Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · 2 mo ago

Hello from Melbourne Australia, I have purchased a model 94 carbine in 44-40 , I bought it knowing it had feeding issues. I have discovered it needs a new left hand cartridge guide. Unfortunately they don't seem to be available here in Australia. Does anyone know where I might be able to get one. The rifle looks like it has done very little work, it also needs the cartridge guide screw and front barrel band screw.
Thanks in Anticipation David.

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JBelk

· #2 · 2 mo ago

I'm not familiar with any M94 in 44-40. The Model 92 was built in that caliber originally. Maybe Winchester tried to put a short stubby case in an action designed for long tapered cases?

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crooked creek

· #3 · 2 mo ago

The only one I'm aware of is the Cheyenne Commemorative Model 94 in 44-40 produced in 1977. Is that the one you (OP) have?

https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/158938-cheyenne-carbine-commemorative-win-94-44-40-com2594.html

winchester model 94 44-40 cheyenne - Google Search

Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #4 · 2 mo ago

I don't believe it's a commemorative model, it has no engraving on it but the receiver is a factory brown colour rather than being blued. It is definitely marked Winchester model 94 44-40 on the barrel.

crooked creek

· #5 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

Dfphoto said:
I don't believe it's a commemorative model, it has no engraving on it but the receiver is a factory brown colour rather than being blued. It is definitely marked Winchester model 94 44-40 on the barrel.

Apparently, they were made specifically for the Australian market, for 'pig hunters'.

www.shootersforum.com

Winchester 94 in 44-40 - how many were made?

How many of the Winchester 94 in 44-40 caliber were made? I do not mean the Commemoratives but only the regular Model 94 for normally use. Unfortunately my book by R. Renneberg doesn't give me any information about this.

www.shootersforum.com

www.shootersforum.com

Read post #10 on this one: win 94 in 44/40

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gbro

· #6 · 2 mo ago

Dfphoto said:
I don't believe it's a commemorative model, it has no engraving on it but the receiver is a factory brown colour rather than being blued. It is definitely marked Winchester model 94 44-40 on the barrel.

Can you attach a picture of your rifle and a picture of the ammunition you use?
I would like to see the loading gate, the Cheyenne has a full length one.
Does yours have a Saddle Ring? Is there any letters preceding the serial No. ?

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Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #7 · 2 mo ago

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Here are some pictures of the rifle, I believe it was made in 1972, thanks David

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Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #8 · 2 mo ago

As you can see the screw for the left hand cartridge guide is incorrect and the guide appears to be modified, the top of the gate hits on something when you try to open it not allowing you to feed cartridges into the magazine.

Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #9 · 2 mo ago

It was also missing the rear sight I have since fitted a Marble semi buck horn.

Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #10 · 2 mo ago

I am using 44-40 snap caps to check the feeding.

JBelk

· #11 · 2 mo ago

Snap caps are totally different from feeding dummies and aren't likely to feed correctly. Don't assume you have a feeding problem until it refuses to feed factory ammo.

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gbro

· #12 · 2 mo ago

I believe I see screw holes on the left side of reciever for an Aperture(Peep) Sight.

Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #13 · 2 mo ago

I have disassembled the receiver and what a mess. It appears the barrel was not indexed to the receiver correctly, this has caused the extractor pin to bend, also the lifter is bent as well as a destroyed left hand cartridge guide. It might be time to count my losses and move on. The cartridge lifter is just pressed metal it has even broken the weld on the pivot end. I might be able to straighten the twist in it and re weld the broken weld. I would have to disassemble the extractor and try to drill out the broken pin on the end and press fit a new pin. The lug on the bottom rear of the bolt where that pin goes into is also bent but that should straighten up. Is it worth it especially when I can't get the cartridge guides here in Australia and places like Midwest won't ship internationally.
I'm going to assume that the incorrectly fitted barrel started this problem as the bolt wouldn't have been able to fully close. I presume the cartridge rim catch on the top of the bolt needs to fit into the angled ramp on the barrel and receiver?
Thanks David

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Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #14 · 2 mo ago

I should have said there is a bent pin on the ejector not extractor and that the extractor needs to fit in the barrel index ramp?

gbro

· #15 · 2 mo ago

When you start to loose your focus, remember John Moses Browning made those rifles with drills,& Files and probably had to make them too.

Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #16 · 2 mo ago

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I have repaired the broken weld on the cartridge lifter, drilled out the broken ejector pin and welded a new pin in. I'm really worried about the barrel indexing it looks like it's wound in slightly too far the ramps miss each other but about a 1/16th of an inch . You can see sighting from the receiver that the rear sight is slightly rotated to the left.

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Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #17 · 2 mo ago

I'm sure the bent ejector rod was why the gate wouldn't open and why the carrier wouldn't come all the way up.

gbro

· #18 · 2 mo ago

I will wait on JBelk to address the barrel indexing.
Your using tools JMB never even dreamed of!
But in the meantime ponder what it would take to build one and that may bring an idea or two of solutions.
With all that you are facing with this carbine I would suggest a chamber cast to make sure this is truly 2 .44-40???

JBelk

· #19 · 2 mo ago

The over-tight barrel can be fixed by pulling the barrel and gently peening the shoulder to move some metal towards the back then carefully re-tighten.
Over-tight means the screws through the band no longer fits and the mag tube locator screw doesn't go in the hole.
I don't work on stamped parts but they can be built up with brazing rod to extend their normally short life.
The first job is getting the barrel right.

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Dfphoto

Discussion Starter · #20 · 2 mo ago

gbro said:
I will wait on JBelk to address the barrel indexing.
Your using tools JMB never even dreamed of!
But in the meantime ponder what it would take to build one and that may bring an idea or two of solutions.
With all that you are facing with this carbine I would suggest a chamber cast to make sure this is truly 2 .44-40???

The barrel is marked 44-40 and they were sold here in the thousands but getting parts is near impossible.

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