[mcb]

I had seen this rifle advertised in American Rifleman a few issues ago and last night while shopping at the local Gander Mountain I got to hold one of Winchester's new Model 9410 traditional, chamber for the 2 1/2 .410 shotshell. It felt great in my hands.  The throw on the lever was a little stiff and longer than I thought it would be but it was new out of the box I think it would loosen up a little. It threw up to my shoulder really nice and it was nice and light. I like the 10 round side port loaded tube magazine. My question is has anyone out there bought one? They guys at Gander Mountain said they were jumping off the shelves quicker than they could put them out, but then again they are trying to sell me one. How do they shoot, both shotshell and slugs? Has any one tried some 00 000 buckshot?  I would like to use it for squirrel hunting and coyote hunting. I'm a little concerned about using it for deer seeing it only chambers the 2 3/4" shell, but then again a .410 slug has about the same muzzle energy as a 44 mag.  After seeing how long of a throw on the lever I understand why they didn't chamber it for the 3" shell. I would love to hear your opinions especial comments on accuracy with various loads, shot or slug.

The gun look like it would be lots of fun to have, but I don't have lots of cash to throw around and if I buy one I want to be able to use it.

Thanks ahead of time
Matt

 

[Jack Monteith]

Hi, mcb:
    .410 slugs run out of steam pretty quick.  The BC is only .067 and they might start out at 1830 fps but they're down to 1060 fps at 100 yards.  Combine that with a weight of 88 grains and they've got less energy at 100 yards than a .38 Special +P has.  

    A Federal .410 slug gave me the least penetration in wetpack of any bullet I've tried.  The hole was 3" deep and 3" in diameter.  A complete blow-up at 10 yards.   I figured they'd be OK for skunks and racoons at close range, but anytime a varmint showed up, another gun was handy.  So I don't know how they perform on critters, but they're sure not a deer load.  

    Use 7 1/2 shot at 20 yards and crows lose all interest in eating duck eggs.

Bye
Jack

 

[mcb]

I have posted this question to several forum and newsgroup and you are the first reply from someone that has actually shot one.  Thank you.  Did you get a chance to shoot the slugs for group size.  I am not to worried about the muzzle energy as much as being able to hit something with the slugs.  I will probable not try to shoot it much further than 50 yards but I would like to reliable be able to hit a critter like a groundhog at fifty yards.  I really like the idea of the shot shells and slugs in the same gun but if it does not shoot tight groups then I am not sure about it.

Thanks
Matt

 

[MikeG]

Skunks at 10 yards?  Jack, you're a brave man!

 

[Jack Monteith]

Hi, Matt:
   The .410 is a Savage 24P, .22LR over .410.  I think I only shot one or two 5 shot groups with it at 25 yards. They went about 3", IIRC.  The main problem was that the slugs hit 5" below the .22 barrel at that range.  Combine that with a9 lb. trigger pull and I lost interest pretty quick.  Sorry I didn't mention that the gun wasn't a 9410.

  Mike, remember the old elephant hunter's rule, "Git as close as you can, Laddie, then git 10 yards closer"?  <!--emo&--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo-->

Bye
Jack

 

[MikeG]

For Skunk hunting, then, how about... "Get as FAR away as you can, then talk someone else into shooting it!"

I'm thinking, my .22-250 at about a quarter-mile sounds perfect.

 

[James Thomas]

Tonto say shootum skunkum in buttum not much stinkum!!

No experience with the 9410

 

[Jack Monteith]

Hi, James:
   I seriously doubt if my Cree neighbours agree with Tonto. <!--emo&--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo-->

Bye
Jack

 

[Reb]

Guns and Ammo did a test on it in the Oct. 2001 issue.  They got groups of a bit over a inch with the 1/5 oz. slug from Winchester.  That slug load was giving an avg. of 1952 fps!  It also won gun of the year this month in the same magazine.

For what its worth.

 

[slangley]

I'd really like to keep this thread running, I'm quite evenly torn between a "matched pair" gun (the NEF knock-off with a .22LR and .410 barrel) and a 9410.  Price not the only consideration, the opinion owners of either type will help myself and others out here so chime in please.

 

[Reb]

I had heard on another board recently that the 9410 was already having problems with extractor breakage.  Anyone else heard anything about this?

 

[MikeG]

The 9410 sounds like a neat gun.  Hopefully Winchester can straighten it out.

 

[mcb]

What forum did you read that on Reb?  I would like to read as much as I can.  I am very intrested in this gun but don't want buy something that isn't going to perform as advertised.

Thanks
mcb

 

[Reb]

mcb,
The chap that said that was relaying what a local gun store owner had told him.  That they were having to send almost all of them back to have extractors fixed.  I am afraid I don't remeber which board I saw that on.  It may only be a rumour started by jealous Marlin fans ;^)

PS. I saw somthing neat along these lines at a gun show a while back.  It was a custom Winchester 94 takedown model with a 45 Colt 16" barrel and a second barrel in .410  Unlock, pull, twist and reverse to install the other barrel.  Pretty slick.

 

[WHCKMSTR1]

A 9410 is a .410 shot gun on a 94 winchester,,,right? Why?

 

[mcb]

I not sure exactly why they did it but imaging the looks you will get the next time you shoot a round of skeet with a Winchester 94.

Thats a bummer about the extractors I hope it is just a rumor or is quickly fixed.  I hope to get one late this spring.  But I would like to read about it more before I do.

mcb

 

[cpomac]

9410 is a nice piece of work

I got my 9410 packer about two months ago and I'm realy impressed with this little shotgun. At start I had shamefull results with trap and skeet but after five boxes of shells I was bustin clays 18 of 25 avg. It's great for rolling clays. I've gotten 1" groups with Remington and winchester slugs at 25yds and I keep it in 3" at 50yds. I took a doe saturday with it at 45yds, it ran ten yards and dropped.
It does have the sloppy lever inherant with all 94s but tho it has a long stroke it cycles well and you get used to it pretty quik. It doesn't like to cycle Federal 1/4oz loads because the shell is a little thicker. I've got 800 rnds thru it and have'nt hade any sign of ejector problems.
It's definately not a long range gun but it's sure fun to shoot. I'm waiting for snowfall for some rabbit shooting.

 

[Richard of Oz]

I got it when it first came to Australia, 18 months ago. Win have enhanced the model's choke since, optimised for 25m. Don't ask me why I bought it, it doesn't do anything practical which a .22LR wouldn't do better. But it is immense fun to shoot. I get 1" groups with Win slugs at 25 m (you need to know what a bad shot I am to appreciate what that says about the 9410 & the slugs). BB isn't appropriate for a .410, there's not enough space for above 3 balls. #4 shot is the best factory mix. I have managed to avoid shooting snakes thus far in my long life, they're beautiful and useful vermin-ridding reptiles, but at this time of year deadly Browns & Death Adders are almost thicker on the ground than blades of grass in the rainforest around our house. A .410 is a great snake gun.
I have the occasional feed problem, but that might be my relative inexperience with cycling lever actions, and the 9410 is a particularly long throw.
There is a school of thought, expressed somewhere on this board by someone, forget who and when, that a .410 is an adequate home defence firearm and is less likely to land a homeowner in legal hot water than a more potent gun.

 

[444fitch]

Us Marlin fans have nothing to be jealous about at all . The folks at marlin have brought out a 1895 based .410 shot gun . Now before you call them "copy-cat , copy-cat!" In all the claims Winchester has been dishing about the 9410 being a " new concept", they seem to have forgotten that Marlin had a lever action .410 back in the 1920's these guns were given to stock holders and were offered to the general public for a few years.

444fitch