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I enjoy reading about firearm wish lists, and am surprised the more manufacturers don't have a place for them on their web sites. Anyway, what rifle or rifle innovation would you like to see offered in today's market?

I have a long list, but one in particular seems like a no-brainer:

How about a 3 pound 22 Mag semi-auto with a 16 or 17 inch barrel?

I have the Taurus model 72 pump with 17 inch bbl at about 4 pounds, and there is no velocity loss in the short bbl. In a semi-auto scope mounting would be possible, and it would be easy to shave another pound off with composites and an alloy receiver. Recoil would be only 1.3 ft-lbs in a 3 pound rifle, and for general varminting and ranch use it would be very useful.
 

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Lindsey -

You reminded me that I want to see a tube magazine designed to handle spitzer bullets. I know there was once a pump remington with a mag tube that spiraled...this kept the tips of the bullets from lining up with the primers.
 

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I would like to see 25-06 rifles offered with a 1 in 9 inch twist rate to stabilize bullets up to 140 grains, and specially marked ammo to match. This would put it in the 6.5-06 class without giving up the lighter .257 varmint bullets and allow the use of slower powders to approach 100% load density with the heavy bullets.

Chamber throats should be short, and designed for the varmint length bullets, and the 140s seated deeply so all rounds have bullets quite close to the lands. The capacity lost from deep seating is inconsequential, as the 25-06 has too much case capacity anyway. Having the base of the bullet extend even a full centemeter (0.40 inches) deeper into the case would displace only 5 grains of water, but its only air, so it matters not. Bullet ogives should be designed with this in mind, and a Hornady-type cone spire would work fine.

This new 140 grain bullet would clock 2900 fps and have a sectional density of .303 (yes, the math is correct). BCs over .500 would be easily achieved.

Handloaders working with slow, dense ball powders like Hodgdon's Magpro will get 3000 fps if they don't mind a 26 inch bbl.

This might raise some hackels, but I can't see much advantage in a 270 Win over the 25-06 in this configuration for big game. I was concerned about overstabilizing the shorter varmint bullets, but 3 different premium bullet manufacturers said that as a practical matter, overstabilization really only accentuates any eccentricity the bullet might have and modern manufacturuing techniques have easily solved this problem for the 8 and 9 inch twist rates...just makes the varmint bullets explode better.
 

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Of course, the parent case for the 8mm Mag is the 375 H&H blown out. Back when 416. Rem brass got scarce, I regularly ran 375 H&H brass through the 416 die and shot fireforming loads...works great.

The shoulders on all 3 of the derivatives you mention are right around .487.

I would add to my wish list that one of the major ammo manufacturers introduce a 338 based on a 2.5 inch RUM case, so it would work in '06 length actions. The 338 Dakota is quite close to this, but rim size is too big for 375 based bolt faces. I chose the 338 caliber because it is mid-range and can be easily necked up and down...I really want to duplicate the 416 Rem in an '06 length action.

I will never know how we got hung up on the belted cases for anything but straight sided designs.
 

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Rick -

That's not fair...you know all of my weaknesses!

I'm sort of wishing for things that arn't in production yet. I still want to reduce the case mouth of the 450 to accept .452 bullets and pop on a Colt or Casull barrel. That lets me shoot my beloved sabots pushing 35 and 40 caliber bullets. For the heavies, there are plenty of great cast 45s out there.

For now that wonderful Puma in 454 Casull you sold me is filling in the gap!
 

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Just wanted to clarify for our friend that the BULLET diameters for for 6, 6.5, 7, 8, and 9MM are .243, .264, .284, .323*, .and .355 inches respectively (*the 8MM also comes in .318). The difference between the true inch conversion and the bullet diameter is the depth of the groves.
 

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Ed -

I really like the quiet handloads too...lots of fun trying different combos. I once had a 35 Whelen witha 24 inch bbl and tried some 158 gr lead.357 pistol bullets infrom of Universal at 950 fps. Again, this is a "pop" and sounds nothing like a firearm. Accuracy at 50 yards with a scope is cloverleafs all day long...the 1 in 14 twist does not signofocantly over stabilize at the low velocities and nary a trace of lead in the bore.

I think the excess case capacity sort of counts as "ineffective expansion ratio" and even the gas exiting the muzzle is subsonic.

By the way, if you happen to live off of Sleepy Hollow road, I have been to your house when I worked for Delta Research Corp back in the late 80's. If not, the is a very nice Ed Harris there with a great gun collection...
 

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2bits -

I have a project in mind that would barrel an '06 length action with a 25-06 chamber, but with a 1 in 8.5 twist rate. This will stabilize up to 160 gr RN or 140 gr spitzer BTs. Hawk bullets can make them for me.

The 25-06 is a 1 in 10 twist and won't stabilize these long bullets, so the regular bullet suppliers don't make them.
 

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2Bits -

You are in for a treat, because 25-06FT, "Fast Twist" will come within 40 fps of the 6.5-06 in the heavy bullet dept. The 160gr RNs will breeze along at 2700 fps, and the 140s will make 2900. This makes sense, as they are the exact same rounds except the 25 is .007 smaller in the bore.

SD for the 160 grainer is .346 and the 140 is .303, very impressive.

The 25-06 in current configuration has a lot of unused case capacity, and one needs a heavier, slower bullet to use it all effectively. Well, that means long, and long means faster twist...pretty simple.
 
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