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. . . and the $10 'credit' is probably what Remington Paid for Materials to make the Faulty trigger and Their Tooling From, rather than the cost of the Replacement Triggers they SHOULD have offered.

Just Saying my Opinion of this Boondoggle, I am Very Glad I am not involved in it.

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I was notified Thursday the 21st that the judge had again delayed the hearing that's now more than a year 'overdue'. Again, CNBC has published an online article that explains what they've heard is going on.
Mediation underway to salvage Remington rifle settlement
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So the settlement is they will replace my "un-safe" but nice walker trigger with a "Safe" but crappy trigger that wears out and will become unsafe in time?

Wow hope the lawyers got paid real well for doing such a wonderful job on my behalf
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My understanding is that they'll ask the judge, this Friday, for $12.5Million in payment to notify just under 3,000 people they need a new trigger.
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Is this the Fee for JUST the roughly 3000 Notifications?
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Those are the fees asked for by the lawyers for settling the Class Action. One reason for the long delay is the pitiful job the Philadelphia lawyers did in getting the word out. Less than 3,000 responses from two years of "advertizing". They could have done better than that with two blocks of wood advertized as bug killers.

Please take a look at the trigger they pictured here--Remington Trigger Class Action Settlement
I've so-far found one guy that owns a Walker trigger in that conformation. Anybody else?
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Those are the fees asked for by the lawyers for settling the Class Action. One reason for the long delay is the pitiful job the Philadelphia lawyers did in getting the word out. Less than 3,000 responses from two years of "advertizing". They could have done better than that with two blocks of wood advertized as bug killers.

Please take a look at the trigger they pictured here--Remington Trigger Class Action Settlement
I've so-far found one guy that owns a Walker trigger in that conformation. Anybody else?
This is a prime example of why people despise lawyers in general and tort lawyers in particular, they have done almost nothing to get the word out, negotiated a deal that does nearly NOTHING to resolve the issue and still expect to get paid millions of dollars for "winning".

My trigger is black, the one on my dads 2 are also black.

None of them have ever had a problem but i suppose its time to swap them out for timneys >.< shame to, they are all nice triggers.
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June 10th information

Yesterday, June 10 was the due date set by the judge for a new agreement to replace Walker triggers with the XMP. I've downloaded the 132 pages of lawyer speak and very briefly scanned each one to determine what gives the most information to the shooting public. Should you want something else let me know.

The table of contents gives a pretty good insight to what the proposal is all about.

pdf attachment is not showing up and I'm working on it.

attached is a text file

Quick take-away---Remington wants the lawyers to advertize the settlement by 'social media' and radio adds on Conservative talk radio stations.

I'm still in favor of Remington advertizing it...
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Today, July 15, 2016, the judge has issued an order denying the certification of the 'class' and also denying request for attorney's fees. He's set a further hearing for Aug. 2 in Kansas City to discuss other facets of the case. For now, it seems the replacement of Walker triggers with XMP triggers is not offered on a nation-wide basis but I'm sure Remington will replace your Walker if you ask.
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Expert blasts proposed Remington Rifle settlement

The hearing in Kansas City was this morning. The judge took notice of the letter filed above (which echos my concerns and letter to the judge) and told the lawyers to go back and come up with another plan.

I urge the reading of the above article. I can post the letter if there's interest in reading the raw file.
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I've been following this purdy close as you have posted it. I read the article, and understand the content just fine. I'd read the letter too if you posted it.

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Expert blasts proposed Remington Rifle settlement

The hearing in Kansas City was this morning. The judge took notice of the letter filed above (which echos my concerns and letter to the judge) and told the lawyers to go back and come up with another plan.

I urge the reading of the above article. I can post the letter if there's interest in reading the raw file.

Looks like it's a hurry up and wait situation. Not unusual for litigation matters, but unfortunate, for sure.............
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Here is the letter filed with the Court by an expert in class actions. This filing is welcomed. A judge can only consider what's before him. The lawyers laid out the law, but the practical matters were not well addressed. Hillsee does that extremely well.

It is of interest that Hillsee tells the judge this case is being very closely watched nationwide. This is not just a 'gun case', it affects re-calls and notices of dangerous products of all kinds.
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Other than Shooters Forum, I have seen nothing of this whole event. I have friends and family that I am keeping posted about it all. It is just wrong when compared to the Volkswagon emmission thing, or the airbag deal. Very expensive is obviously the "why" part of it.

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I think Hilsee got it right when he noted the class action settlement proposal does more to solve Remington's PR problem than it does solve their gun problem.

Hilsee has asked the judge to get sealed bids on the complicated and expensive process of notification of the class to the members of the class. It is estimated less than half the 7.8 million Remington-Walker owners heard of the class and of those the vast majority didn't act on it or understand what it meant. He correctly noted the process of notifying owners of Remington Walker triggers required 'registration' by serial number which automatically and naturally suppressed participation. Hilsee suggest the judge not accept less than a 95% notification with clarity of the purpose and the importance. He also suggest local dealers being trained and reimbursed to replace triggers on the spot. (That's a big one for me.) Hilsee has pointed out the mistakes made in this case and the lack of purpose on the plaintiff's side (Why I refused to participate and was fired for it.), and how to better serve the people that NEED to know the truth.

This is a very well done letter that points to MANY problems with this case and declares it a 'poster child' for bad class action proposals with enough footnotes, links, references and prior law to keep the judge reading many long hours. It is very important to realize this guy went way out on a limb without being hired by anybody and not being a member of the class. He did it as a public service that should benefit shooters and gun owners for generations.

My sincere thanks to Mr. Todd B. Hilsee
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I am currently the Registered Owner of two 2006 Dodge Dakota Trucks that now have TWO Air Bag recalls on them!
The first one Said the DRIVER side Air Bag Inflator was defective and I had them Replaced.
The Second one now says the Passenger Side Air Bag Inflator is ALSO defective, but No Parts are currently available to replace it.

Since The Two Inflators Were Made by The SAME Company at the SAME Time it would Seem that 'Selective Blindness' was Involved.

BAD Research by The could also Have Been Involved in order to spread out the "Pain" of Replacement costs over a Wider Time span, to The Risk of further Injured Vehicle Owners or Other Persons.

One Of my Trucks Was Involved In TWO separate Frontal Accidents that Caused Extensive damage but DID NOT Trigger ANY Air Bag Deployments (Thankfully) So I guess There Were not enough Injury Accidents to "Get their attention Focused".

Is this Lawsuit Going to 'Wake Up" Remington to What they Have Caused or Not Done to Properly Correct The Faults Designed into the Rifles in Question?

At Least I don't have any Remington Rifles to Worry About.

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Is this Lawsuit Going to 'Wake Up" Remington to What they Have Caused or Not Done to Properly Correct The Faults Designed into the Rifles in Question?
They knew the problem and how to fix it in 1947. Mike Walker wrote a memo to engineering and shortly after that blueprints were drawn for a safer design. It cost too much, 5 1/2 cents.
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