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Old 10-10-2015, 09:30 AM
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An update--
An unprecedented move by Remington attorneys. They served a subpoena on me last Tuesday demanding to see the triggers I wrote about in my Supplemental Report. The lawyers that represent every 'member of the class' (all 7.83 million Walker owners) and should be present in the demanded video taped, sworn deposition are the same lawyers that fired me for not agreeing with their position. I'd rather not be the Black Knight in the Monte Python skit in this deal so will have to fight the subpoena with a lawyer's help or have a lawyer go with me to deposition. Either way, it seems a heavy-handed way to treat somebody that found a bad XMP trigger and told them about it. They just ignored me and about ten thousand others before. This is a new tactic.
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:41 AM
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In the late 90's, I was running a titanium foundry. Remington approached us about casting receivers in titanium alloy 6-4. We were too expensive for them. I don't know where that project ended up. The receiver may be a casting. When I get time; I'll look at it closely and see if I can tell.
I know there are some titanium revolver frames out there.

I tried to send you a PM, but it appears you are not set up to accept them. I own the same type of rifle, an original M700 Ti, not the later M700 Ti Alaskan. I'd like to see what additional information you might have found about the rifle (especially your inspection of the action).

Feel free to PM me if you'd like. Thanks.
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Old 10-10-2015, 10:55 AM
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That is a very neat and unusual M700 variation. With your permission, I'll post an ID picture for others.
It DOES have a Walker trigger. Can you tell me if a magnet sticks to it?
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No problem. A magnet does not stick to the trigger, bolt handle, action or bolt. Does stick to trigger guard, barrel and bolt face.
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Wow!! An alloy trigger body with what has to be a steel connector. A rare bird for sure! three more place to try a magnet, if you can reach it, is the bolt locking lug recess and the magazine box and the extractor cam portion of the bolt handle.

The trigger guard is a hermorphadite alloy that has enough steel to attract a magnet and enough aluminum to boil away to nothing in a bluing tank and is light enough to make sense in your application.

Remington bolts, since 1947, have been made in three parts: Body, lugs and face, and handle. The silver solder that holds them all together (until recently) never failed in the bolt body to face connection, but handles have been falling off for many years. Handloaders lose a disproportionate number of them.
Since the locking lugs are steel on your Ti gun, do they meet with steel inserts like some BR actions, or do they seat in Ti?

The extractor cam is the angled portion of the bolt handle that overlaps the bolt body. That angle is a cam that breaks the case loose from the chamber wall. Abuse (or a LOT of use) of a Remington rifle shows up in the burr cast up on that angled surface.

It seems simple to feed aluminum to the machine that makes magazine boxes. I was just curious if they did or not.

The deep flutes in the bolt body means that's probably a forged Ti part or possibly investment cast. I can see the five axis CNC signs in the flutes but they could have been part of the mold, too.

A very interesting rifle that's very seldom seen. If you can pull the trigger off and send it to me, I'll do my magic repair on it to make it safe as a Timney and return it. It would be a shame to replace it and mess up what is sure to be a collector's gun in the future.
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Bolt lock-up looks to be Titanium. Extractor cam steel. Magazine follower and box seem to be aluminum.
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I will take you up on the trigger mod, after the seasons end. The rifle is rather unique and of the dozens I now own, most who see and hold it want it. I'm keeping it for old(er) age when I'll prefer it's ultra light weight and moderate recoil in .270.

I recall reading a gun rag test on one in '06 that caused a high $$ German scope to puke. They mounted a Leupold in different, stronger mounts and completed the test.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:32 AM
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An update--
An unprecedented move by Remington attorneys. They served a subpoena on me last Tuesday demanding to see the triggers I wrote about in my Supplemental Report. The lawyers that represent every 'member of the class' (all 7.83 million Walker owners) and should be present in the demanded video taped, sworn deposition are the same lawyers that fired me for not agreeing with their position. I'd rather not be the Black Knight in the Monte Python skit in this deal so will have to fight the subpoena with a lawyer's help or have a lawyer go with me to deposition. Either way, it seems a heavy-handed way to treat somebody that found a bad XMP trigger and told them about it. They just ignored me and about ten thousand others before. This is a new tactic.
Be sure to charge them for "expert support", or get the opposing attorneys to do so. Every time I have been subpoenaed to make expert testimony, I have charged my rate - which is very high. I don't like to do it. You do need a lawyer's support for this I expect. Don't just go there like a plucked chicken ready for roasting.
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:29 AM
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I'm appearing and objecting as "a member of the Class". The fact that I am an expert witness in all Courts does me little good here. I was extremely fortunate to find a lawyer I've worked with before on vacation in the West and he will attend as my counsel. Otherwise I would have had to pay someone to be my second.

I wonder if others reporting an inoperable trigger have to go through the same thing?
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Since my field is engineering we have apples vs oranges I guess. No-one wants me involved because I instigated something but rather because I know something that only a very few do. It sounds like you were an instigator and they are calling you on it. Good luck and I hope it works out.
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I'm just pointing out a mechanical fact to engineers hired not to see it. I'm ready to explain the defective trigger I have in my hand. And thanks!
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Good Luck in your endeavors to enlighten and inform the "Willfully Ignorant", I think you will need it.

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Old 10-15-2015, 08:52 PM
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There has been another objection filed in the nation wide class action that covers a lot of issues shooters have expressed here. Among them is request for reimbursement for aftermarket triggers and a buy back program.
Most important, is that he will be at the hearing in December and has asked for the right to examine and cross-examine any witness before the Court. "My side" has a lawyer!! He's a good one, too.
I'll get permission to publish his brief in support the Objection or get a link to it ASAP.
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Old 10-18-2015, 06:53 AM
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The Objection filed by Rodney Townsend by his lawyer, Robert Chaffin, has likely turned this entire case upside down. The supporting memo written by Chaffin brings to light case law and details of the proposed settlement that now makes any settlement highly doubtful. The document is too large to post here (6mb) but if anybody wants to read what a REAL trial lawyer does for his living, I highly recommend this one. Send a PM and email addy and I'll send it along.

Chaffin's arguments seem air-tight but I'm sure there's a large bevy of paralegals and clerks looking up the hundred or so cases he cites to be sure. One thing I didn't know: Chaffin says the judge has no power to alter the agreement, only to accept or deny it. That means if only one of the dozen or more arguments is true, the case has to be denied. I feel it's best to deny this turkey and work for something better. It is clear by documents not made available to me through the case but cited in the memo that the XMP trigger has many very serious problems that have been sometimes quietly corrected but nothing said about the dangerous ones already gone to customers. (Confirming what I've seen and reported). In this age of video tape, customer complaints are much more powerful than written words and it's getting harder to just deny a problem can occur when you can see it fail on youtube.
(It is interesting that Remington had two videos of failing XMP triggers but only started looking for the reason when the third one went to youtube. The reason for FSR in the XMP was very clear and should have been found months, and thousands of triggers, earlier.)

Remington has the right to back out of this proposed class settlement and I expect them to do so but I'd imagine there's a lot of back-room negotiations going on. Remington's lawyers are paid by the hour, the plaintiff's are paid by the judge at the end of the case but the money comes from Remington. How much do they get paid for a failed effort? The lawyers have already asked for $12.5 million but the judge can alter that!

If anybody has a storage site for this file, let me know. I have permission from the lawyer to post it. It's worthwhile (gun) reading from a really good trial lawyer.
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:09 PM
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Nine hours of deposition today. About an hour of it about post at this site.
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J Belk, I bought my latest rifle a Rem 700ADL package maybe 1 and a half years ago? It was $350 at Dunham's in town. Bought new Nikon scope to replace cheapy that came on rifle. About week later found out they had been pulled from shelves due to XMP trigger recall. Replaced it with Timney 512 instead of sending back. I had avoided Remington because of previous problem with 700 that would fire when moving safety to fire position, Has a Timney in it now also but did not use it for about 10 yrs. because of lack of knowledge about after market replacement triggers. My son and his buddy had what could have been a serious incident even death because of another Remington model. His buddies grandfather had given him a model 760 pump action 30/06. They went to range to do some shooting and his buddy was new shooter/hunter. They were alone at range and his bud was behind firing line while my son was shooting. He loaded up detachable box mag inserted in rifle and pushed slide home to chamber cartridge, said he was just checking things out familiarizing himself to how rifle worked. He is molecular chemist researcher @ John's Hopkins university and has his doctorate from there. Got his undergraduate degree @ St. Vincent university in PA. So highly intelligent just inexperienced firearms owner at the time. Rifle fired hitting leg of shooting stool my son was sitting on when slide sent home. Needless to say both were very shook up, they are best friends. They immediately packed up and left and took rifle to local gunsmith. Gunsmith instantly found firing pin was jammed forward and detonated primer as action was closed very dangerous situation. Grandfather apparently not used rifle in years and very little maintenance had been done on rifle, it was filthy. Had it repaired and gave back to grandpa who became very offended over it. His buddy went and bought Savage bolt action .270 because he was scared of grandpa's rifle. My son who is US army trained sniper who did tour in Iraq (Ramadhi 2006-2007) began from scratch to teach him firearm safety etc. and they are still best friends and we hunt together every year. Son is still in with rank of SFC and plans on retiring in 8 years or so when he will be 38 then cutting grass and coaching little league baseball and pee wee football for rest of life. Of course he will be in woods every chance he gets hunting, fishing etc. That's his natural element. Smart kid, hope to spend many days with him and my grandchildren out there also. I have a little over 200 acres in north central South Dakota we might try to do something with, It's not much for that area of country but family owns a lot of ground around my property around 2000 acres close to Missouri River. Right now we generally hunt our home state of PA and go out for pheasant every chance we get in SD.
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Nine hours of deposition today. About an hour of it about post at this site.
At least you live in remote 2015 Idaho, rather than remote 1915 Idaho. If it were the latter, they'd simply 'dry gulch' you to stop your annoying habit of sharing observable fact.
They still might, actually, it's just less likely/easy now.

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I have a Remington 700 (1968 manufacture) in 7mm Mag. It started firing upon releasing the safety or closing the bolt. I looked over this site and made the decision to send the rifle back to Remington. From the time I received my prepaid shipping box until I recieved the repaired rifle it was less than 2 weeks. The repair sheet shows the XMP TRIGGER was put into the rifle.

At this point in time all that has been accomplished is a new trigger of the XMP design has been put into my rifle. As stated in the many posts by JBelk this trigger is probably going to wear out sooner than the rifle. I think the prudent thing for me to do is fire the rifle a few hundred rounds and see what happens.

My issue is this, my whole collection of rifles are Remington 721, 722, 725, and 700 models. All contain the Walker designed triggers. Remington surely isnt gping to replace all these triggers so what should I do? I'll use them till they go bad.
I dont see any other way to fix this situation unless something comes out in the December hearing.

Mr. JBelk, thank you for your efforts on behalf of all Remington users. Courts willing some sort of favorable settlement will be awarded to the owners of the affected firearms. Hopefully no more accidents will happen before tne 'cure" is complete.

Mr. Belk, do you rebuild Walkers into safe reliable triggers, it seems I have a couple dozen to replace?
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Montana guy, don't envy your situation but was in a similar situation not long ago. I owned an older 700 with Walker trigger and Dunham's had a sale on 700 ADL about 1.5 yrs. ago or so. My original 700 would go off once in a great while when safety moved to fire position. I would estimate 1 out of 200-300 times. Did not trust and had gunsmith look at it said it was ok far as he could see. I never tried to adjust walker trigger ever so I no longer trusted rifle. New rifle had XMP supposedly adjustable but never got a chance to even fire. I was back at Dunham's and as I walked in front door there was a big notice posted about new Remington's with XMP trigger. Basically said unsafe and to call provided phone #. I had enough, never had experience with aftermarket trigger but bought 2 Timney model 512 from "Cheaper Than Dirt" $120 each. They were truly drop in and both came from factory set at about 3lbs. Very crisp and probably the best trigger I have on any of my hunting rifles. I know you should not have to do this but I don't think that Remington is going to make it right as they have been fighting this forever when I believe they know they are wrong. Just an option but I would not hesitate to do it again. Good luck and I hope you get it resolved to you satisfaction.
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I'll be posting some answers soon. I'm still trying to figure out how to accomplish repairs so it's affordable.
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