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Old 12-12-2015, 08:18 PM
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When will rifle design engineers learn that going cheap will be expensive? There was good reason even Springfield copied the Mauser. Which non-Mauser ideas do NOT have an issue? I never use any safety lever at all on any rifle - not even on the '98 based actions. Never, ever.

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The 'Hunter's Safety' is the only thing I use on a bolt action.
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A safety is only as safe as the person who forgets to put it on.
First gun was a double barrle side by side its safety went on automaticaly when the gun was broken.

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I use safeties on every firearm that has them, I teach using safeties on every firearm that has them. Safeties are one more layer in a responsible weapon handling system.

I'm pleased that Winchester took responsibility and is issuing a recall.

The standard is not perfection, the standard is the alternative. The alternative is the Remington 700 mess, the coverup, and everything that stems from it. We don't live in a perfect world, perfectly designed and built rifles at a rock bottom price are not an option. Therefore, we must face and deal with reality. There is no perfect rifle, there are only opinions.

I intend to support Winchester by buying another rifle.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:57 AM
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When will rifle design engineers learn that going cheap will be expensive? There was good reason even Springfield copied the Mauser. Which non-Mauser ideas do NOT have an issue? I never use any safety lever at all on any rifle - not even on the '98 based actions. Never, ever.

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"cheap" rifles are not the problem, bad designs are the problem.

I have 2 marlin "X" guns with thousands of rounds thru them with no issues at all. I have friends with other Marlin "X" guns and they've never had an issue with them.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:21 AM
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A safety is only as safe as the person who forgets to put it on. First gun was a double barrle side by side its safety went on automaticaly when the gun was broken.
The SxS doubles and O/U's I have (except for competition guns never loaded outside the shooting station) are that way.

I remember, when I was starting to hunt over 60 years ago, my father saying he would not hunt with a certain person because that person carried his external hammer SxS with hammers cocked while hunting. No different than having the safety off.
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It is good to know how a "safety" works, or if it works before 'trusting' them.

The cross button safety on nearly 30 million Remington autos and pumps don NOT prevent the gun from firing. It only prevent YOU from pulling the trigger. There is a vast difference in those two performances.

I've not seen such a Winchester and don't know how it operates but it sounds much the same problem as Remington has in the Model 710 but hasn't told anybody about it. Flimsy mounting allows enough movement to transfer between parts that aren't supposed to be connected.

Some guns are made with a part called a safety but don't act as one. If in doubt, leave the gun unloaded until use or at least open the bolt or breech which is the next best thing.
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When will rifle design engineers learn that going cheap will be expensive? There was good reason even Springfield copied the Mauser. Which non-Mauser ideas do NOT have an issue? I never use any safety lever at all on any rifle - not even on the '98 based actions. Never, ever.

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Winchester's X.P.R. rifles look rather CHEAPLY Built to me. Why don't they just make their regular Model 70's with a Walnut Stock, barrel, and action.
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Winchester's X.P.R. rifles look rather CHEAPLY Built to me. Why don't they just make their regular Model 70's with a Walnut Stock, barrel, and action.
because no one wants to buy a $800 rifle from them.
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because no one wants to buy a $800 rifle from them.
Actually, I'm about to buy a $900 M70 from them.
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