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Old 04-15-2006, 05:22 AM
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Just visited the Alliant website and discovered this recall, I don't know how long its been there. It involves 8lbs containers of Unique that may actually contain Bullseye. Lot # 850, 859, 861, 868, 872, 876, 890, 898, 907. Look for yourself I may have missed a lot#, or some details.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/recall.htm

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Old 04-15-2006, 07:23 AM
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Anyone familiar with Unique and Bullseye should be able to immediately tell there is something wrong. Unique has big, round disks whereas Bullseye has very tiny disks. Since I don't purchase powder in 8 lb. kegs, the chances of my being involved are slight but thanks for the heads up.
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Old 04-15-2006, 10:14 AM
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Thanks for the heads-up. The other componet recall threads are in the Handloading Procedures/Practices sub-forum, so I'll move it there and make it a Sticky. This recall is from last July, but if you live out on the lone prairie like I do, you need at least a 6 months supply of powder on hand.

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Old 05-01-2008, 06:15 PM
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Just visited the Alliant website and discovered this recall, I don't know how long its been there. It involves 8lbs containers of Unique that may actually contain Bullseye. Lot # 850, 859, 861, 868, 872, 876, 890, 898, 907. Look for yourself I may have missed a lot#, or some details.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/recall.htm

thanks for posting this. i checked my 8lb can and all is well, i hope.
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:51 AM
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http://www.alliantpowder.com/safety/safetynotice.htm

A related subject that I just became aware of in another thread.
Is a shame due to the fact that my 41 loves the stuff. I have noticed that I get all the speed I want well below published maximum load data.

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Old 07-27-2008, 11:05 AM
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Thanks for the heads up.

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Old 07-30-2008, 06:48 PM
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Hmm. So much for "Technically Superior By Design". I am wondering if this is just to invalidate old load data out there or if something else has changed? I may drop them a line to ask, but I'll bet they won't tell. Lawyers will have told them to clam up so people don't try to circumvent their warning.
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dang...mass quantities of 41 mag and 10mm loaded w/ Blue Dot powder out in the garage. A buddy passed away and I got two 5# canisters of the stuff from his widow.

SHot 100's of roounds w/out incident. Maybe I'll worry about about something else...
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dang...mass quantities of 41 mag and 10mm loaded w/ Blue Dot powder out in the garage. A buddy passed away and I got two 5# canisters of the stuff from his widow.

SHot 100's of roounds w/out incident. Maybe I'll worry about about something else...
I sent an email to alliant regarding the blue dot and never rec'd a response I have 4lbs that's over 20yrs old that I've used to load 45colt and 454casull.

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Call them. Email delivery isn't 100% reliable.
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Call them. Email delivery isn't 100% reliable.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:20 AM
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There has been some go-around about this on the web in other forums, too, and nobody can make definitive sense of it. Alliiant's own data lists Blue Dot loads for 110 grain and 158 grain bullets in .357 Magnum loads. It's just the 125 grain bullets that are skipped over. Likewise, we cannot find a rationale for the .41 Magnum being inherently different from other revolver chamberings.

My working assumption is that Alliant got some burst gun reports, and that those occurring in .357 Magnum guns always had 125 grain bullets in place, while those occurring in .41 Magnum guns showed no bullet weight pattern. Alliant may not have wanted to spend what it takes to investigate the causes rigorously, or they may know the causes and found that it was widely circulated load data that is dangerous in some guns; possibly including their own previously published data. They and/or their lawyers decided to simply lose customers making Blue Dot loads in those caliber and bullet combinations rather than tell everyone it's OK with newer, corrected load data that some might not see.

I would not be so brash as to say you should go ahead and use Blue Dot where they tell you not to, but I don't believe in magic, either. Unless Alliant says otherwise (and their lawyers may not allow them too), I believe safe loads in all the excluded combinations are possible, but that published loads for them are not to be trusted. In other words, anyone using Blue Dot in .41 Magnum or with 125 grain bullets in .357 Magnum needs to be a sophisticated loader, and preferably one with pressure test equipment.

As an aside, back before Alliant updated their load data on their web site, I alerted them that one of their recommended .45 ACP loads for 230 grain jacketed bullets was incorrectly labeled as to standard load pressure it would develop, and that it would actually run well up in the +P+ pressure range. This was because they had the COL too short for hardball. They acknowledged the load had been developed with a truncated cone profile bullet and not round nose ball, despite it being listed to cover all 230 grain jsacketd bullets. I checked it with the Hornady FP ENC (same as TC) bullets I have and found the same high pressure developed with them. Alliant said nothing more at that point in time, and I was afraid they were indifferent to the matter. However, when they recently brought their revised load data on line, I found they had increased the listed COL for the .45 ACP load, which corrects the pressure problem. The situation left me disconcerted about how carefully Alliant had developed their older data, the old Blue Dot data for the .357 and .41 magnum, included? I don't know how long the old data was up?
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How long ago do you suppose the data were developed? I note that Speer's (now ATK-owned just like Alliant Powder) most recent manual has some glaring errors that weren't there before. That's only a very small number of instances, but I'm wondering if the ATK umbrella has somehow not been conducive to good QC and editing?
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That's possible. Too many layers separating top management from the wholly-owned subsidiaries can cause top-down performance demands that turn every task into a fire with a deadline for extinguishing. That can, indeed, lead to a lot of sloppy haste-making-waste performance.
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Here's a new link: http://www.alliantpowder.com/getting...y_notices.aspx

Although this recall is more than 4 years old and Alliant isn't worried about it anymore, this thread should be closed.
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Good Point. I'll leave the sticky for now for those with old lots still on the shelf.

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