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Old 09-11-2007, 04:28 PM
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In the new Spear manual they call for a number 14 shell holder for use with the 460 S&W. After spending a fun filled 1/2 hour removing a stuck case from the sizing die I called Spear and they said it took a number 4...I said look in the 14th edition of your book on page whatever. Thirty seconds later I got an "Oh my".

So if you are loading 460 S&W make sure you use a Number 4 RCBS shell holder...unless you enjoy getting stuck cases out of a sizing die...lol.
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:35 PM
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I'm going to make this a sticky for a while so it stays at the top of the page. Thanks 451.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:05 PM
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460 S&W shell holder is the same as for 45 colt/454 casull, right?

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Old 11-28-2007, 11:17 PM
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....you might also check your #14 to see if you have any missing or repeated pages. I believe this was somewhere around the page #280 mark. I got lucky and my new manual was fine but they've had to replace a pile of them. Fortunately this is ( I am told) at their expense.
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Old 06-19-2008, 12:28 PM
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I have found a pile of mistakes in the trajectory tables as well. Which was confirmed in several emails I have from ATK.
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Yeah I also have two copies now. Samething as rickster missing pages around #280 a quick e-mail resulted in the second one.
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Let's focus on what is useful in "Speer 12", "Speer 13", and "Speer 14":
1) They got the max cartridge length right, from SAAMI specs.
2) They got the max case length right, from SAAMI specs.

I have yet to find any other uses for these books.
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:54 PM
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I have a Speer 14 manual with the miss-print; I have not yet contacted them about this.
I have most all of the current reloading manuals, an expensive proposition. I enjoy reading the Speer manual quite a lot; Speer 13 was my favorite “easy-chair” manual.
I shoot the 307 and 356 Winchester cartridges and these have good coverage in the Speer manual. I wish they had wider coverage of these two cartridges but the information is a good basis for comparison of powder types and a good starter for load development.
I appreciate the 300 Savage data is also listed with a 20” barrel. This allows me to graph the various loads and wonder how the results are possible. Using a 150-grain bullet the 300 Savage with less case capacity and a lower SAAMI pressure rating develops higher velocity than the 307 Winchester. It’s an interesting conundrum.
My friend and Beartooth forum member Greg Mushial and his wife Cristina wrote the chapter on exterior ballistics.
Beartooth forum member John Kort, aka 30WCF also contributed to the Speer 14 manual.

I admit I wish there was additional data on cartridges and Speer bullets including the overall length of their bullets and their design seating depth.
Ken Howel’s cartridge drawings are good and make for easy comparison.

The new Speer 14 manual is a bit heavy for an easy-chair book but it is still small enough to be considered such.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:09 PM
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I appreciate the 300 Savage data is also listed with a 20” barrel. This allows me to graph the various loads and wonder how the results are possible. Using a 150-grain bullet the 300 Savage with less case capacity and a lower SAAMI pressure rating develops higher velocity than the 307 Winchester. It’s an interesting conundrum.
One of the things I've always like about the Speer manuals is that they fire for velocity from actual production rifles (although that's changing now under ATK). The pressure work is in pressure barrels, so it's not 'voodoo science' or anything, but I just like the velocity from real rifles. It does result in apparent conundrums such as what you list above, though. It does reflect the reality we all observe, though, that some barrels are 'fast' and some are 'slow.' Now how come, just is.
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.. the Speer manuals.. it's not 'voodoo science'...


Here is a graph I made to illustrate the Speer interior ballistics Ouija Board vs time.
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Old 09-21-2011, 09:37 AM
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They may need their meds, though I don't know what 2400's burn rate consistency has been over time. Since Alliant currently does Speer's pressure testing, it would be interested to know if their own recipes have changed over time.
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Someone on the internet ~ 10 years ago found some ancient 2400, loaded up ammo and loaded up new [new 10 years ago] 2400. Over the chronograph they were very close.

I have never seen a real breach Alliant's quality standards for mixing powders to get a canister grade powder... unlike AA.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:46 AM
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Just a note for future reference when something like this happens (wrong shell holder leaves the bullet in the sizing die)

All you have to do is get the correct shell holder, but dont install it in the press, raise the ram to the case, and then install the shell holder in the press so that its also going over the rim of the case at the same time.....

I figured that trick out after I tried to show my dad how easy reloading is by loading up some 9mm after I had been loading .308 win earlier, after trying a few various things, I had an epiphany,....
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