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Old 05-04-2012, 02:23 PM
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Unclenick, it seems that the Blue Dot situation is odd.

I bought my last lb a while back, and used most of it for 20ga hunting loads. Today, I actually loaded up the rest of it under 158gr Sierra's in my .357 loads. I used a charge that has produced excellent accuracy, and never a problem, over about 20 years. It was never a max load.

Too bad, BD was always a very good, if somewhat flashy powder, and really good for Hi-Performance 20ga loads. Oh well, I don't want to discover the "dark side" on my own time.
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It just stinks because my 210gr loads for the .41 use blue dot. Any suggestions? Power pistol, maybe?
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:54 AM
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It just stinks because my 210gr loads for the .41 use blue dot. Any suggestions? Power pistol, maybe?
I moved most of my BD loads to 2400, and it has been a good change for the most part, especially for lighter bullets in my .44's, (and all bullet weights in my .357's). The down side is it takes 25% more 2400 by weight, to get equivalent performance. Herco works well though. A bit slower than Unique/faster than BD, but with cast stuff, it might have an edge.

I have avoided Power Pistol, as many feel lot to lot variability isn't so good. AA No.9 has a lot of fans, and AA No.7 looks real close in manuals. W296/H110 is always an option, but it can't be reduced, at all, and in my guns it looks best for accuracy just as you're hitting absolute max.
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Thanks. I use 296 and H110 in my 250gr BTB loads. It's great, but gets meat on both ends. I'll try some of your suggestions for my jacketed loads.
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Old 05-12-2012, 05:53 AM
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It appears that some of you are ready to throw Blue Dot over the side and sail away. That would be a mistake. Unclenick's comment about my post was right on the money.

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None of Rifter's reported applications are included in the warning; i.e., they are not about 125 grains bullets in the .357 S&W Magnum and they are not about .41 Remington Magnum loads. Thus they're not exceptions and don't contradict the warning in any way. Alliant says 158 grain bullets (and by inference Rifter's 160's) are just fine. They also still offer load data on the Alliant site that includes 110 grain bullets, and 140, 158, and 170 grain bullets. They've only excluded 125 to 135 grain bullets, that I can see, so presumably they've only seen the problem right in that 125 grain weight range in the .357 Mag.
My post was intended to show that while there are two specific instances where Alliant says not to use it, everything else works just fine. In fact, I can't think of another powder that covers the medium to medium-hot range as well as Blue Dot in most any caliber from 9x19 on up. Take note, however, that as I stated in that post, the new Alliant version is faster than the Hercules version. If you have loads worked up with Hercules BD that are at the top end of the range, reduce them by 10% and check velocity.
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+1 to what rifter said. I think Blue Dot is an excellent powder. I use it in my .357, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. I've never had a problem with it. I'll clarify that though and say I don't shoot 125gr loads in .357, only 158gr and 185gr.
I posted the loads I shot with Blue Dot and 2400 awhile ago for the .357 185gr bullet over in the reloading section. Blue Dot was more consistent but not as fast than 2400 in the tests I did.
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Blue Dot warning?

The logic of the warning is indeed confusing. I use Blue Dot both for .357 and heavy shot shell loads.I never load to the max at anytime so no issues for me. I load for accuracy first and the extra few FPS of a hot load seldom makes much difference at the receiving end of any load of any caliber.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:51 AM
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The logic of the warning is indeed confusing. I use Blue Dot both for .357 and heavy shot shell loads.I never load to the max at anytime so no issues for me. I load for accuracy first and the extra few FPS of a hot load seldom makes much difference at the receiving end of any load of any caliber.
It really isn't confusing at all. Every powder has slightly different characteristics with different bullet weights, even if that powder is appropriate overall for that cartridge. Things like bearing surface, caliber, powder space, viable pressure range, barrel length, etc., all have a bearing to a greater of lesser degree with each bullet used. Certain combinations sometimes don't work like we expect them to, which is why we see warnings published by the powder makers.

In this case, the 125 gr. in .357 and the 210 gr. in .41 Mag exhibit characteristics that Alliant feels are outside safe parameters for Blue Dot. This is the same sort of thing as the warnings about reducing H-110/296 more than 5% below max, or heavily compressing ball powders, for example.
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That is true that there many variables to consider with every load and powders do have individual burning characteristics. Even very small changes in powder in a given load can have drastic pressure changes. I hope Alliance releases new loading info for those affected bullet weights soon. I expect that will be a reduced max powder load for those bullets/ powder combination.
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I've been using BD in my .40 S&W for years, 10grains w/ 155 gr. HPs, hope that isn't on the list, still got 5 pounds of it!
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Then I guess I am well in the safe zone. That is about the same load I use for similar bullet weights in my light weight .357. I never load over 11 gr of BD for a cast 160 gr bullet. More power than that and the recoil and muzzle blast in the indoor range gets annoying on long shooting sessions with that light gun. If I need more power than that I will buy a .44 Mag.
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The warning is just for 125 grain bullets in .357 Magnum, and all bullets in .41 Rem mag. That's it. They had some unexplained problems and don't want to OK it's use in those circumstances unless or until they figure them out and can see how to prevent them. They still list .357 loads for 110 grain bullets and 140 grain bullets and heavier. Very odd, indeed, but no point in tempting fate when you can use 2400 or 296/H110 for 125 grain bullets and in the .41 RM.
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I agree. They issued the warning for a reason and no point in taking chances weather it makes sense or not. Somebody some where found excessive pressure in those loads and I hope it wasn't from a series of bad accidents.
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I use it in my 44 mag too, with 240 LSWC, very accurate.
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I just bought 4 cans of Blue Dot for loading up .45 LC to shoot out of my Rossi 92, I hope it works good for that.
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I just bought 4 cans of Blue Dot for loading up .45 LC to shoot out of my Rossi 92, I hope it works good for that.
An excellent Blue Dot load that should work as well in your rifle as it does in my Blackhawk is the Beartooth 265 gr. WFN-GC sized at .453 over 13 gr. of powder.

It chronos at 1150 from my 7.5" Ruger, so I would expect somewhere around 1400+ in the rifle. Very accurate and should devastating on deer.
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An excellent Blue Dot load that should work as well in your rifle as it does in my Blackhawk is the Beartooth 265 gr. WFN-GC sized at .453 over 13 gr. of powder.

It chronos at 1150 from my 7.5" Ruger, so I would expect somewhere around 1400+ in the rifle. Very accurate and should devastating on deer.
I have 2 boxes of Hornady .45 cal .451 diameter 200 grain XTP that I was going to use, but I can't, I can't crimp the brass, so, I ordered three boxes of Hornady XTP Bullets 45 Caliber (452 Diameter) 250 Grain Jacketed Hollow Points, and those have the crimping ring. So when those get here, I'll try them and see how those work out. I'll start out with 12 grains of Blue Dot and see how it works, then I'll work around that. I'll be shooting these out of my Rossi 92 lever action with the 24" barrel.
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I have 2 boxes of Hornady .45 cal .451 diameter 200 grain XTP that I was going to use, but I can't, I can't crimp the brass, so, I ordered three boxes of Hornady XTP Bullets 45 Caliber (452 Diameter) 250 Grain Jacketed Hollow Points, and those have the crimping ring. So when those get here, I'll try them and see how those work out. I'll start out with 12 grains of Blue Dot and see how it works, then I'll work around that. I'll be shooting these out of my Rossi 92 lever action with the 24" barrel.
That load should work great. I use the same 13 gr. charge with the 250 XTP in my Blackhawk as with the 265 Beartooth. It isn't quite as accurate because of the slightly smaller diameter, but velocity is the same and point of impact is identical as the cast load.

12 gr. will be just a tad slower than mine, but you should find it an easy, accurate load in that rifle. I'm going to have to check out that Rossi 92 for myself!
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Well, I was going to use my Hornady .45 cal .451 diameter 200 grain XTP, but I can't. I can't get a crimp, so I can't use those projectiles. I'm now using some Hornady .45 cal .452 diameter 250 grain HP/XTP projectiles over 12 grains of Blue Dot. I can crimp those with no problem. The 200 grain XTP doesn't have a crimping ring, the 250 grain projectiles does, and it also fits the case a little better.
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I've been reloading with Blue Dot for decades for just about everything from shotgun to magnum handgun and haven't had any problems. But then again, I don't start my loads at maximum either.

I get great performance from it in all applications, and have been seeing this warning around for quite some time now.

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