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Old 09-26-2014, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bushwhckr View Post
I remember very well back in the mid 50's how anyone would laugh at you if you bought anything that was made in Japan because we all knew it was junk. Obviously Japan got their act together and started producing some of the worlds finest cameras, lens, electronics and now you'd give a right testicle to own anything made in Japan.

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Old 09-27-2014, 06:39 AM
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I bought my first new Toyota Labor Day 2004. It was a Corolla-S with 23 miles on it. Here it is a bit more that 10 years later with only 62,154 miles on it there has never been a time it's let me down in any way. I've alwys let Toyota do the maintenance on it(that's a first) and I've only needed tires and a battery once. Without hesitation I can say the best car I've ever had or likely ever will. It could be my last car. Why trade it? After all it only gets 41 mpg on the road, always been garaged and gets a auto butler treatment every year or two.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:28 PM
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We should not be surprised by this.? As every Scope MFG. Now have all of their Scopes Made.? Or Assembled.? Either in CHINA.? Or the PHILIPPINS.? And we like suckers.? Are paying top $$$$$$$for them.?
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Old 12-11-2014, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by REDTAIL View Post
We should not be surprised by this.? As every Scope MFG. Now have all of their Scopes Made.? Or Assembled.? Either in CHINA.? Or the PHILIPPINS.? And we like suckers.? Are paying top $$$$$$$for them.?
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Old 12-14-2014, 05:16 PM
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Back about 1980, while elk hunting in Wyoming with a friend, I dropped my rifle. Down the side of a mountain. About 400 feet.

Wound up rebarrelling the rifle, replacing the stock, and sending the Leupold Vari-X II 3-9x40 back to be reassembled. Paid for the new barrel. Paid for the new stock. Paid shipping costs to Leupold, and got a brand new scope out of the deal.

Today, that scope resides on a Ruger #1, and I'll bet you 50 bucks that it will still put a 180 gr. BTSP bullet within a half-inch of POA.

My current go-to .30-06 has an M8 Leupold 4X scope, as do the 7mm-08s that the granddaughters hunt with.

Point being that I've never had a problem with a Leupold scope that the factory wouldn't fix, and never had an issue with one not working as advertised.

Gonna take a lot to convince me to get rid of my Leupold scopes.
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If you don't like China, you better stay away from Walmart!

BTW, My preferred scope is Leupold. I like the compact scopes - 2x-7x best, but also own a few regular 3x-9x and a couple compact M8-4x. After Leupold, I like the old Redfield scopes. I also have a few other scopes, even a couple Weaver and Bushnell. Anyone want a few Tasco scopes cheap???? I'm not into any scope that comes close to $1,000 either.

The Leopold and Redfield scopes will not be for sale until me estate sale. The others are experimental and could be.
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Old 01-02-2015, 03:17 PM
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That beautiful Marantz receiver sure brings back memories!!

When have the Chinese ever developed their own products that would sell here in the US? Everything they make that we buy is a ripoff copy.

I think it's been reported the Japanese, during the 60s and 70s, would come over here, buy one of everything we had (over time), take it back there, and remanufacture it. Then.... they got good at what they do. Very good. It's hard to beat the Japanese products and soon I fear the Chinese will take that position of hierarchy.
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Old 01-03-2015, 05:45 PM
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Gee wiz info. That Marantz was made in Japan, just like the Pioneers, Kenwood's, Sansui's, Panasonics and most other brands during that period. The big difference and why the Marantz cost more, they used more gold contacts on their switches and more Germanium transistors, while almost all the other brands used almost all silicon transistors, which were noisier than the Germanium, but a lot cheaper. Like everything else, just because it's made there, don't mean it's all made the same. Still though, if you really wanted a nice unit, you got the Harmon Kardon.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:19 PM
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I too remember this particular Marantz receiver. I had a Harmon Kardon and paid $25 for it a a flea market. Great stereo!

I had a Redfield on a Kimber at one time but definitely preferred my Leupold 3-9 on my Sako.

Does Redfield still make a quality scope? Are all Japanese optics top quality? I thought the Germans were best at optics?
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Old 05-30-2015, 09:54 AM
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Fill in the blank:

The Chinese are counterfeiting ___________________________.

Just about anything makes it a true statement. I remember about 10 years ago, or so, they were doing it with M1A receivers. They looked fine, but were soft and would stretch after a few hundred rounds or so. That ruined the headspace and made them unsafe to shoot.

The Japanese started out making cheap stuff, but eventually showed Detroit how to make a modern automobile. They do make some fine firearms these days.

After what they did to ours, I got a huge chuckle out of the Japanese steel industry complaining that cheap Korean steel was running them out of business.

Ah, globalization ....

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Old 12-16-2015, 04:15 PM
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Can anyone remember the good old days when things said "Made in Japan"?

I have two Leopold scopes, a 2x long eye relief on a Ruger Redhawk and a 4x on a Browning BLR.

Mine are over 20 years old though and I would like to believe they were made in the U.S.A.
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Old 12-17-2015, 10:36 AM
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This may be now out of date, but the manager of a LGS told me to look for the Leupold "buck" logo on a used scope. This little trademark is the last thing visible to see that something wasn't counterfeit. Maybe the Chinese are doing these now too. Stamping numerals and putting in Gold rings are easily done, but that little logo is big trouble to illegally duplicate.
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:28 AM
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... "Can anyone remember the good old days when things said "Made in Japan"?"

Yes. Because back then we all bashed the heck out that stuff, and said it was "cheap junk". Back then, US and German were the "good stuff". Now most Japanese stuff is considered top grade.
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