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Old 12-05-2014, 07:46 PM
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Model 700s may be recalled to replace almost 8 million triggers.

BREAKING: POSSIBLE RECALL – Remington Agrees to Replace Triggers in EVERY Model 700 Ever Made
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That will be a bit of expense !
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That will be a bit of expense !
It could be, but it's based on people that want the triggers replaced. Remington has been a wee bit tricky about some things dating back to the Model 600 and 660. Safeties on this were not reliable... but I was raised that my finger is the best safety!

They've been cheating on the way the triggers have been made for some time now.
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Old 12-06-2014, 02:48 AM
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They are trying to say it's not a "recall", but they are volunteering to replace the trigger on more than half a dozen different models. It goes all the way back to the 721, which came out just after WWII.

What I read was they figured it would be cheaper to replace as many triggers as owners wanted replaced than it would be to keep fighting the litigation.
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:06 AM
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That will be a bit of expense !
VERY EXPENSIVE!!
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Old 12-06-2014, 06:02 AM
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It could be, but it's based on people that want the triggers replaced. Remington has been a wee bit tricky about some things dating back to the Model 600 and 660. Safeties on this were not reliable... but I was raised that my finger is the best safety!

They've been cheating on the way the triggers have been made for some time now.

I could not agree more with that above statement! However many of the problems brought forward had nothing to do with anyone's finger or finger placement. The Unintended Discharge that occurred with my M660 happened, as many others, by simply moving the safety to "OFF" to unload the firearm. For those not familiar with older M700s, 660s and 600s, moving the safety to the "OFF/FIRE" position was required to open the bolt and allow the rifle to be fully unloaded.

There was not a problem when this occurred with that rifle as it was pointed in a safe direction when it discharged (other then undershorts needing a second washing). If one thinks that having a rifle discharge in this manner is not a problem because no one was injured, I'd argue differently. And, for the record, Remington later modified that rifles trigger/safety free of charge as they still will on all M600s & 660s.

Again, I could not agree more with the statement above. Only that following all prescribed safety measures still does not and can not always preclude an unintended discharge.
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It is because of the lube that they use in them.I have a 700 that I got in the late 90's and talk with my gunsmith about it and then i went home and got it back to him he check it and I was almost in the edge of the problem that the recall was about.All he had to do is take the gun apart and clean it and the bolt also and now no more problems with it.The lube gums up in time and that is what the problem is with it and why the recall.
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Model 600 and 660s were recalled in 1975 "because, under certain circumstances, the safety and trigger could be manipulated in a way that could result in an accidental discharge." That was fixed.

Model 700s with the Walker trigger is a good design but can be improperly adjusted. Adjusting the sear engagement after the firing pin has fired will damage the sear. After that, a sear replacement is required but rarely done. That's what leads to ADs. Lack of muzzle awareness is what gets people killed.

There is a potential issue with the newer XMP triggers caused by excess adhesive applied at the factory.

Almost any adjustable trigger can be mis-adjusted to cause problems. I bought a Winchester 52C from a well know collector. Upon receiving it, I checked it out and the safety was inop and the sear could be tripped at less than 1#. That's outside the design criteria for that trigger and I found the sear would trip if the bolt was closed sharply. Readjusting it correctly fixed the problem. The C model triggers were designed when minimum trigger pull in NRA smallbore shooting was 3#. That requirement was dropped so the D triggers (and the Mikuru triggers without the lawyer pin) can be adjusted safely down to around 4 ounces.

Winchester knows they can be improperly adjusted so the current manufacture 52s, know as the Mikuru Winchesters have what is called the "lawyer pin" installed which prevents adjusting the pull below 4.5#.

I expect Remington replacement triggers will be the same.

As far as lubricating triggers, I have rarely met anyone who follows the factory directions to completely clean the mechanism prior to lubricating. Triggers and bolt assemblies typically have years, if not decades, of old, gummed up oil in them. The best oil I've found for triggers and bolts is what used to be called sewing machine oil. When lubricating triggers, bolts and other parts that require lubrication rather than rust prevention, less is best. Oils generally gum up because too much is used so it collets dust/dirt/carbon which turns it in to a gummy mess.
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QUOTE: Model 600 and 660s were recalled in 1975 "because, under certain circumstances, the safety and trigger could be manipulated in a way that could result in an accidental discharge." That was fixed.

I'd suppose that it might also be fair to mention that both the 600 & 660s were dropped from production before the 1975 recall notices. Whether that was due to the high occurrence of problems, only Remington would know that.

Remington Model 700 Rifle Dangerous Defective Trigger and Safety

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***"Based on the above two out of two hundred, Remington guessed that 1% of their older (pre-1975) rifles were affected. Remington instituted a recall on Model 600 rifles, which were found to have a 50% occurrence of tricking before post-1975 Model 700 standards were used to correct this. While two hundred out of two million is not what I'd call a huge cross-section, if we accept Remington's estimates then in 1979 there were about 20,000 rifles out there which could be tricked. That's a lot of rifles, if you ask me."***
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I have a model 700 bought in 2011. Stripped it down and gave it a great cleaning. Had gunsmith buddy work on it as well. What's the percentage chance this effects more than 10% of rifles. The rifles are built by hand or automated? Couldn't imagine it effecting 7.8 million rifles like they claim but who knows maybe?
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What is Remington going to replace the Walker trigger with?
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It is because of the lube that they use in them.I have a 700 that I got in the late 90's and talk with my gunsmith about it and then i went home and got it back to him he check it and I was almost in the edge of the problem that the recall was about.All he had to do is take the gun apart and clean it and the bolt also and now no more problems with it.The lube gums up in time and that is what the problem is with it and why the recall.
Actually Remington is cheating on the way they build the trigger these days... you can have problems with them, although I normally put an aftermarket trigger in them.
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What is Remington going to replace the Walker trigger with?
It was replaced in about '09 with the X Mark Pro.
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It was replaced in about '09 with the X Mark Pro.
It turns out the Remingtons with the Walker trigger are not being recalled, only the XMP versions.

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It turns out the Remingtons with the Walker trigger are not being recalled, only the XMP versions.

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I have a Model 700 HB Varmint special BDL.that was bought NIB around between 1977-or 1979. In the 22/250 Cal.? I have never had any problems with it as described,? About it firing when the bolt was being opened to remove a live round.? Not that it can not happen.? According to the reports,? That I have read on the 700 Models.? I would never send back my Rifle with the attached Leupold Sighted in Scope on it.? In a Cardboard Shipping Box.? That I know would be damaged during shipping etc.? If the trigger assembly is one that needs to be replaced.? I would rather Remington,? Ship me the Trigger Assembly.? To me.? and I would have my Gunsmith.? Install it in for me.? Than giving up the whole Rifle etc.? or if my Rifle's Trigger,? Is one that needs replacement.? I would rather just purchase my own replacement Trigger,? And get it installed from a Gunsmith.? After almost 40 Yrs,? of owning this loved Rifle & Scope that cost some $$$$$. I am POED @ REMINGTON.? Not telling owners sooner etc.?

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