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The hearing went as scheduled and lasted 4 hours. The judge said he would try to make a ruling in 30 days or so.
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Just another update with a clearer head. I really appreciate the support I've gotten on this forum. I'm a hermit and sometimes talk to people only once a week on meatloaf Monday at the bar. The internet is my window to the world and this is my internet 'home'. Remington knows that and prints every word I write. They have books of post and this one will be read, printed and added to the stack. So be it. Intimidation doesn't work on the truth.

Judge Smith saved me from what was a planned hanging. At the introduction phase of the hearing he advised me I had the option of speaking to him from the podium as everyone else in the case would do, or I could go under oath and be subject to cross examination. It was a reprieve on the steps of the gallows but even though I was surrounded by friendly lawyers, there was no recess to ask advice. I had to think the only reason he changed his written order on the fly is because he saw what was coming. I sure did.

That's twice he's saved me and I thanked him in my fifteen minutes of "lawyering" from the podium. He is the judge that DENIED the joint protective order agreement made by the two sides and declared there would be no 'secrets' held in this case. That order came on the Amazon publishing date of my book and saved me from sanctions and ruination by telling the secrets while under multiple protective orders that I, in good faith promised to hold secret. Those secrets became too much to hold when people are getting killed and maimed as a DIRECT result. I wrote the book because somebody needs to know how guns REALLY work!

I've NEVER been able to 'write a speech' or even make 'notes' for a talk. I've given up to two weeks of classes without having the slightest clue what I was going to say until it came time to say 'good morning'. Such was the case Tuesday. I re-read my book on the plane and re-read my objections during one of many sleepless periods Monday night in a hotel room too fancy for a hermit from Idaho. Hindsight is 20/20 and oh how I wish I could have said what needed to be said better, but it is what it is and whatever I said was true, sincere and on the record forever. I winged it just like I've been forced to do since 'show and tell' in the first grade. I can only hope it was enough.

I might be called on to testify in several possible cases so Remington still has chances to try to show I'm wrong about plainly seen mechanics that can NOT be denied. Just LOOK at it!! <near terminal frustration, the Walker and RCFC are as plain to see as a nut cracker to me, yet some can't (won't?) see it.>

It's possible I can get a transcript without expense. If so, I'll make it available here if its legal. I'll have to ask about that.
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Thank You SO MUCH!
Having been involved with 2 malfunctions of the RCFC one in my hands and one in my nephews hand 3 ft. away i am very interested in the outcome of this issue.
And i encouraged my SIL to purchase a 700DBM with the Walker trigger that needs replacing, and gifted one of my grandsons with a Model 721, but there is NO way he will fill out an on-line form!

Could you post the best case results of this hearing in your Humble Opinion?
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Could you post the best case results of this hearing in your Humble Opinion?
I told the judge this case would not be a success unless Remington told their customers what they had, what the remedies were and made information available that would allow informed decisions. The best I can hope for is that guns and shooting becomes safer through the hard work put forth, but the truth is this case just further muddied the waters. It has solved nothing, but it HAS allowed the truth in the form of company documents to be released for public view. It seems very few take the time or interest to actually find the truth. That has surprised me.

I don't expect Judge Smith to accept the terms of the agreement as written....only .29% of the rifle owners have responded with an inquiry and that is a ridiculously small amount. I told the judge there were three classes of people shooters were NOT inclined to believe: Politicians, lawyers and reporters. That's just a fact of this 'class'. If Remington doesn't admit it, there is no way to convince people the trigger IS defective and NEEDS repair or special handling. Your choice, but KNOW the choices.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:09 AM
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I believe most people want to believe they make good decisions. When we spend our money, vote, take a job, etc. most of us want to feel good about the choice and will defend the choice even if later logic/evidence sometimes shows the choice to be a poor one.

eg; The automotive industry is an example of a group of corporations being (eventually) forced into being mostly pro-active dealing with product failure/possible failures, through "voluntary" recalls. [So] Most people believe the potential for harm/damage and have their vehicles repaired/modified. In the "old days" people just drove their car and hoped those stories on the news were just someone else bad luck.

Currently, a whole lot of Remington owners own fire arms they paid good money for and most have not experienced the bad luck. Their rifles have operated "normally" so they are OK with them, and defend them. Just a short while ago the R-51 pistols were considered a debacle and were re-engineered. I don't even think any deaths occurred, just "they didn't work right".

When I was young there was a car called the Pinto. Most people that bought them loved them. A few people died because of a poor design, and...

I own Remingtons, and I own Fords, so I'm not hating a brand. I would like to think any company with a long and honored heritage would do the right thing by their customers. If they won't do right on their own, then customers should force the issue, as with the R-51 pistols.
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...only .29% of the rifle owners have responded with an inquiry and that is a ridiculously small amount.
At first glance, I thought... wow 29% isnt bad!. Then I noticed that pesky period before the number.



0.29%.... wow. That's just appaling.


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If Remington doesn't admit it, there is no way to convince people the trigger IS defective and NEEDS repair or special handling. Your choice, but KNOW the choices.

I work for a marketing company, and we send the emails and direct mail that notifies consumers of the recall information that pertains to their vehicle. You would not believe how much communication goes to these consumers. But this was only due to the government getting involved and mandating that the automotive company fix somewhere above 90% of the vehicles affected. Going so far as tracking down the 8th or 9th owners of these vehicles. We even had to determine what percentage of the vehicles under recall were no longer on the road and in the junk yard (and provide proof)

Notice the word "fix" and not "notify" or "educate". The government is demanding the problem be eliminated.

I'm not so naive to think that government is involved without a lot of political pressure either by or a combination of lobbies, media coverage, voter pressure, and/or political maneuvering.

Remington has none of that pressure, and it's highly unlikely that they will. So people will either keep ignoring the issue or be completely ignorant of it. I just don't see Remington being self motivated to do this on their own, and that is sad.

Oh and keep in mind, off the top of my head, these Remington triggers have had more incidents than have been reported with the vehicles under recall.
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RE: the Comments on Vehicle repairs due to Safety Issues:
I own three Trucks, 1 1986 and Two 2006 ones.
ALL Three Have had Mandatory Safety/Emissions Recalls.
The 1986 Was Bought Used in 2005 and Still had open Safety And Emissions Recalls from years before.
It took 6 months for the Local Dealer to get the required repair parts from the Manufacturers.
The two 2006 Vehicles have an open Recall due to the Exploding air bag inflate (Part) problems
The drivers Side is already repaired about two years now.
The Passenger side is still Waiting for Parts!
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Oh and keep in mind, off the top of my head, these Remington triggers have had more incidents than have been reported with the vehicles under recall.
I doubt it. I worked in a Chevy/Buick dealership. There's quite a few "recalls" that DIDN'T get reported that got FIXED without the general public knowing it AND a lot MORE of the recalls that DIDN'T get fixed because people are to lazy to bring their vehicle in then they wonder why their IROC Z28 Camero burned to the ground, in the rain.

If you are waiting longer than 2 weeks to get a recall repaired, contact the manufacture, because the dealer is dragging his feet.

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I doubt it. I worked in a Chevy/Buick dealership. There's quite a few "recalls" that DIDN'T get reported that got FIXED without the general public knowing it AND a lot MORE of the recalls that DIDN'T get fixed because people are to lazy to bring their vehicle in then they wonder why their IROC Z28 Camero burned to the ground, in the rain.

If you are waiting longer than 2 weeks to get a recall repaired, contact the manufacture, because the dealer is dragging his feet.

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I agree about the quasi-recalls that were not reported. Unfortunately those incidents are not "reported"

As for longer than 2 weeks for repairs, unfortunately that was the case with the "unintended key rotation" recall. The government stepped in and gave the mandates to the manufacturer. The manufacturer complied, but there were simply not enough modified (post recall) parts in the system to replace the defective part in the vehicle. Some customer were put on a waiting list while parts were being manufactured and distributed in the dealer service networks.

However, that was a year or 2 years ago. Your advice now is on point. I would suggest going to a different dealer if you cannot get it replaced under 2 weeks.

Remember you can go to any dealer of that manufacturer and get the recall repairs done. If Dealer A is giving you the run around, goto Dealer B, he will be happy to fix it and be paid by the manufacturer to do so.
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Dodge has A Recall on Passenger Air Bag Inflater that are of the same ilk as the Previous Driver air bag Inflater problem.
I have my Name on two 2006 Dakotas that are/were covered by both Recalls.
The Driver side took a Year to get parts.
The Passenger side is STILL waiting for Parts to be made available.
Oh Well, Some day they will get parts.
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Hi, Guys -

FYI -

I've been casually following the Remington Class Action settlement with some interest since I have a 1974 vintage Model 700 with the Walker trigger. I previously submitted a claim form on the class action website.

As I understand the status, the district judge approved the settlement on or about 14 March. Objecting parties had 30 days to appeal.

That time having now expired, I called the class action hotline to inquire into the status of the settlement. The representative indicated that two persons or parties filed appeals. She did not know if these were filed with the district court or with the circuit court.

Therefore, the matter remains in litigation and there is currently no time frame for Remington to commence replacing the trigger mechanisms.

Since I previously filed a claim form, and recognizing that the time frames for litigation really can't be estimated, I inquired of whether I could buy a trigger and just pay a LGS to install it and then submit the cost statements for reimbursement. I was told by the representative that once the claim form is filed, that the only choices are to have the work performed by Remington whenever the green light is given, or in the alternative, bear my own costs which would be non-reimbursable.

That's it for now....

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Dodge has A Recall on Passenger Air Bag Inflater that are of the same ilk as the Previous Driver air bag Inflater problem.
I have my Name on two 2006 Dakotas that are/were covered by both Recalls.
The Driver side took a Year to get parts.
The Passenger side is STILL waiting for Parts to be made available.
Oh Well, Some day they will get parts.
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Update on my 2006 Dodge Passenger side Air Bag Inflater Recalls:
one Truck was involved in a front end incident (the Driver was NOT me) at slow speeds and BOTH Airbags fired!
So now That Truck needs TWO New Air Bag Assemblies, complete with the Driver side Horn Button switches and Wiring that were Destroyed in the Inflation. It also needs Two new Front Seat belt assemblies as they include a Explosive Cartridge that Drives a 'Turbine' Take up with four Steel Balls. The Seat belts had to be Cut to release the Driver and Passenger.

This Early April I took my other 2006 Dakota in to get the Transmission repaired after a "Transmission Control Solenoid Opened up. $1200 later i got it back with new Oil and Filter, New Trans Solenoid assembly, Two New Transmission filters and the Seals replaced, along with New Fluid, Flashing two Memories in the System and The Passenger Air bag Replaced.

Interesting that Air Bag replacements were NOT available shortly after Beginning of APRIL, for Free Replacement per Safety bullitin, but WERE available for My PAID repair Service.

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There has been an appeal filed in the Pollard class action. The appeals court has asked for briefs to be filed by both sides by the end of May....and warned them to be BRIEF.

American law is based on 'precedent'. What has been decided before usually stands unless there is an error. The Pollard case is now a "lawyer's ball" and they're the ones dealing with words by the wheelbarrow full with references by the truck load for law clerks to look up, understand and put into more kegs and barrels full of ....WORDS.

It would be most unusual for one of my qualifications to be asked anything further. I'm a mechanic.
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HARRY S Same here mY Rem 700 Varmint Special in 22/250 I had since 1977 Hunted it 100's of times with the original factory Trigger & never any Problems or firing, while closing the bolt etc, Not saying it can not happen one ?Day,? But I always make sure that it is pointed in a safe direction when chambering any round etc.
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