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Old 05-29-2015, 08:08 AM
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I was in the local gunshop Wednesday and saw the printed materials that went to the repair stations about an impending class action settlement involving all the Remington Walker design triggers. I see no web presence as yet or attempts to notify rifle owners, but it will probably show up in the gun magazines first.

This is likely to become a very large issue for discussion in the next six months and beyond. This is a case that has been stewing in one form or another for many, many years and the judge has ordered (for the first time in 60 years) there be no secrets withheld. It is that order that made my book legal to print. This could be a landmark decision that affects all gun owners, not just owners of Walker triggers.

I invite all to PLEASE do some critical thinking and do your own research before the knee jerks. This is important to our future and a paradigm shift is underway whether we like it or not. There is a new danger afoot fully as hazardous as politicians and rust and it is particularly sneaky.
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Old 05-29-2015, 05:48 PM
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Additional Information--

Remington Trigger Recall

Remington Rifle Defective Trigger Class Action Settlement

All of the court documents are available at the first site. The second does a pretty good job of telling us what it all means.
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Old 05-29-2015, 06:49 PM
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Jbelk,
Thank you for the Update in links.

Luckily for me, I do not own a Covered Remington Arms Firearm.
Just Colts, Union Switch and Signal Winchesters, Marlins, Stevens, and WW2 USA 'M1903A3, M1 Rifles and M1 Carbine.

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Old 05-30-2015, 12:10 PM
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thanks J. It will be interesting, what is the compensation amount if any.

I have a number of M700 rem with original triggers; never had a problem but I do routinely clean the trigger mech every 2 years.

but 'compensation' is compensation. Figure I might get a $40 certificate that will let me buy one-line against a $140 Remington trademark gun case or a $95 Remington Blazer!!!!!!!
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:35 AM
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I'm not sure where your 'compensation' idea comes from but it's not in the settlement.
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Old 05-31-2015, 09:45 AM
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Belk, look ay owners option #2

"2. They may opt for a voucher code that is redeemable at Remington’s online store to purchase additional Remington products."

The voucher is the compensation, similar to the option on past recalls. Not enough credit to really buy any Remington products at a reasonable price. i didn't like the Remington Logo Blazers at the voucher price so I just burned mine!!!!
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:37 AM
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Those $10 and $12.50 vouchers are for 721, 722, 725 and XP-100 Walker triggers they wont replace. Yes! Those are the most dangerous of all the Walkers.
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Please note the Court has set a time line for those wanting to contest or oppose the proposed settlement. Oct. 5 is the deadline for filing an opposition with very specific hoops that MUST be jumped through (with the proper amount of etiquette) to be allowed to testify or submit written materials.

For the record, I will be contesting the proposed settlement as unfair, unworthy, unworkable and unsafe and I'm already scheduled to testify in KC in December. My testimony will be posted here after acceptance, if the moderators allow it.
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Jbelk,
Thank you for the Update in links.

Luckily for me, I do not own a Covered Remington Arms Firearm.
Just Colts, Union Switch and Signal Winchesters, Marlins, Stevens, and WW2 USA 'M1903A3, M1 Rifles and M1 Carbine.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

CW, will you say more about the US&S Winchesters, please?

I am aware of the US&S M1911A1 pistols, but not of anything else firearms related.

Were they a subcontrator for Winchester-built M1 rifles? Was there anything else they produced during the war or its buildup (other than railway signaling)?

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Old 06-30-2015, 03:56 PM
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CW, will you say more about the US&S Winchesters, please?

I am aware of the US&S M1911A1 pistols, but not of anything else firearms related.

Were they a subcontrator for Winchester-built M1 rifles? Was there anything else they produced during the war or its buildup (other than railway signaling)?

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The Old Guy
Sorry for the mistyping: I seem to have left the punctuation out of that sentence.

Only have a US&S .45ACP semi-auto Pistol with 'U.S.government' stamped upon it.
The other arms are not US&S built.

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Old 07-02-2015, 09:23 AM
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I don't understand the US&S 1911 pistol issue.

Those handguns were built by Union Switch and Signal, in Swissvale PA under a government contract to the US Army. The pistol was designed by J. Browning over 100 years ago. US&S only manufacturer these during WW-2. US&S only made railway track switches and train controls--not a firearms design outfit.

The US&S pistols have nothing to do with Remington, walker designed triggers, nor Winchester??????
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I own several Remington 700's and a 40X. These came with either the Walker trigger, or the most recent an XMP trigger. Here's the thing; all those triggers were removed and swapped out for aftermarket triggers, from the old Canjar to the current Jewel Trigger. Not a big deal for me, I never had a Walker trigger fail before they were replaced, but prefer the lighter pull of aftermarket triggers on varmint rifles. Even my 788 wears a Timney Trigger. I won't be taking part in the class action, no harm, no foul.
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It is no harm and no foul as long as you think it's ok for a company to sell something defective that you had to spend more money on to fix. Would you think the same of unsafe tires on a brand new car?
There are state laws in most states that protect consumers against such things, but the more lawyers involved means more complications for us.
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...as long as you think it's ok for a company to sell something defective that you had to spend more money on to fix.
That's the problem.

I was hunting with friends this fall, one of whom brought 2 Remingtons; a 700 and a Sportsman 76 pump. I was thinking in the back of my mind about the rifle(s) any time we were together and he was behind me. Happily, he always exhibits good muzzle discipline, but it was on my mind nevertheless.

I was extremely happy that my other friend carries a Ruger M77 MkII which, like my Hawkeye, physically blocks the striker as well as the trigger when on full-safe.
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UPDATE

It's been more than a year since this thread started and the Court is again ready to accept testimony in what is known as The Pollard Class Action
You can download the latest proposals here:
Remington Trigger Class Action Settlement

All documents (two bankers boxes full) are also available at the PACER.gov site directly from the Court.

At issue here is the proposed replacement of all "Walker" triggers (with several exceptions) which make up about 7.8 million rifles. Every Remington bolt action, center-fire rifle with a grooved face made between 1947 and 2006.

After more than a year of "trying their best", less than 1% of the 'class' has inquired. There are some very high-powered class notification experts that have weighed in with severe criticism of the notification process. Lack of clarity in notification is one of my three objections to the settlement as it's written now.

As part of my testimony to the Court is my personal experiences with the XMP trigger and what I have personally observed. I still haven't found a store clerk or manager that can explain to me, a class member, "What is the deal with Remington triggers?" or "Do you have any information on the Remington recall thing?". It is remarkable how little information is known about what is becoming presented to the Court as a 'public safety' issue in addition to it being the 'fraud' issue as it was first filed.

I am going to ask that Remington be required by the court to present the facts of the defects to the public press just like they do in introducing a new model gun. I feel, given the truth of the matter by the gunwriters, 90% of the class would be notified in a year or less by at least word of mouth. Once the truth is known, the customer can make up his own mind what to do about it, but until Remington tells it, the actual truth will continue to be unknown, confused, conflicted and uncertain. I feel education is the key.

How about your local shop? Does he know the difference in triggers and the difference in trigger recalls, proposed recalls and just advisories? Does he have any printed information to pick up? Is there a poster on the wall? Any warning from the clerk when you ask to examine Remington rifles? How about the local 'big store'? Have you heard the radio advertisement? Impressions of it? How about web page banners? Comments or questions from friends and family about their Remington rifle?

Anecdotal evidence is very powerful when piled high enough.

Please keep replies short and too the point so its not a chore to wade through for real information.

I'll try to set up a poll to make it easier.
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This was filed today.

The exhibits refer to the three web pages that has the Walker repair explained. They're printed out and attached to the objection.

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File Type: pdf Belk objection supplement-final.pdf (94.9 KB, 50 views)
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You state your credentials and position well Mr. Belk. I get asked some from Remington owners about what to do with favorite rifles now that they have been made aware of the problem. My "suggestion" has been to have an aftermarket trigger installed so as to transfer liability someplace else. My thinking has been that if a person has been made aware of a safety concern, and continues to use a potentially "unsafe" product, some liability lies there. If I owned a rifle (don't), I would do that or just flat take it out of service by storing the bolt and trigger group separated from each other.

I think what you wrote is good. I am not technically qualified to argue the specifics of it though.

I know of one Remington/Walker trigger owner that has asked to not hear of what he has learned from the media because he does not participate in "class action lawsuits". I know this particular person well, and it is part of his core beliefs.

Thumbs up from me!

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This was filed today.

The exhibits refer to the three web pages that has the Walker repair explained. They're printed out and attached to the objection.

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I can see neither attachment nor link in your post, Jack, so my comment is: What?
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I'm not sure where it went but I put it back.
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Jack needs to be at the Febuary hearing

Jack I am going to send money to you or to a fund that you wish the money to be put in.
Thank You for all you have done in the name of Gun Safety!


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I got your PM and will be ready if needed.

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