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Old 03-10-2017, 12:35 AM
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I just came by a Savage 219 in 22 hornet. The chamber is gouged and it won't extract. I have heard that the rifle can be rechamberd to 22 K Hornet. I am not interested in enhanceing performance. Does any one have any experience with this type of conversion?
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Old 03-10-2017, 04:22 AM
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This chamber may not clean up your problem. Depends on where the damage is located.
You need to cast the chamber to be certain what and where the damage is.
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I've done somewhere over 200 K-Hornet chambering jobs. What would you like to know?
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I'd rechamber it to the .218 Bee, if the rifling isn't messed up also. It could be rebored and rechambered to the .25-20 also. This would make your rifle "interesting".
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The K-Hornet has my vote for the "best" wildcat ever made. It solves all the problems of the Hornet AND give better performance in one very simple operation (on most rifles).

The blurb in Guns and Ammo by Ross Seyfried had the UPS guy bringing in a dozen rifles a week at one point. I ended up with six reamers just to accommodate the weird bores with odd pilot requirements.

The Sav 219 doesn't need the barrel pulled to rechamber BUT, most scarring of Hornet chambers is from trying to remove a broken case. Cast the chamber first to be sure it will clean up. If not, the barrel has to be turned back a thread and the extractor cut re-done. It's only sensible to re-chamber and then cast the new chamber to see if it cleaned up, even though its the money losing way for the 'smith. (the most expensive job is the one you have to do over.)

One of the G&A jobs was said to have a 'rough chamber'. I followed the above advice of first running the K reamer and then casting....the cast wouldn't come out without ripping it apart at the NECK! The bore scope showed TERRIBLE claw marks running parallel with the bore. I called the customer and found out his buddy suggested they pull a broken case by straightening out a big fish hook and using the barb to catch the mouth of the case. He said it worked pretty good at first.... The Sav. barrel can't be set back enough to clean a bad neck and throat.
The ONLY steel tool that should go in a chamber is a well-guided reamer. Everything else is likely to be destructive.
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I know that the chamber is messed up because the imprints made on the fired brass. There are also a few scratches on the cartridge neck running parallel to the bore. I had to clean a lot of gritty rust out of the action so I suspect crud in the chamber. I don't understand the concept of setting back the barrel on a break action rifle like the Savage 219.J Belk do you still do these rechambers?
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Old 03-11-2017, 04:35 AM
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olafhadt-- The M219 is a special case of course. (I had the M340 in my head while writing) All that could be done with the 219 is saw off the breech end of the barrel and use it as a 'mono-block' for a new barrel. That particular rifle could be changed to Bee without all that much trouble. (Murphy says the bore needs a different sized pilot, of course.)

That is a particularly easy gun to chamber cast to see exactly what you have. A K reamer does nothing for the neck or the very back of the case just ahead of the rim. Those dimensions stay the same.
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My experience with a .22 K-Hornet was not a good one. I had a H&R Mod. 157. The gunsmith did not finish the chamber reaming and unless I had "EXTREMELY" clean cases, the case would stick in the chamber. I had to carry cleaning rods with me when I went critter hunting. But on the up side, the performance was good.
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I have a BUNCH of K-Hornets. It's one of my very favorite calibers. KragNut. The fit of the extractor on the H&Rs cause a LOT of problems unless the 'smith re-fit it before re-chambering.
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Shot my Ruger M77/22 Hornet for years and hesitated to chamber to "K". Finally decided to have local gs do the work and now wonder why I waited so long! Shoots great groups (40 grainers are best) and Jack recommended AA1680 for powder. Works like a charm. Easy reloading and brass lasts a long time, too.
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I have both the .22 Hornet and the K-Hornet. I like both of them but my advise is that it's not worth the time, effort and headache to convert. Any velocity increase is still not going to move you out of the 150-200 yard gun catagory.
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Any velocity increase is still not going to move you out of the 150-200 yard gun catagory.
It's not meant to move it out of the category, just be better within it. There are very few that do it as well as a K-Hornet. I shoot several Ks and a .221 Fireball side by side. At 200 and closer on small furries in a windless pasture, they're simply spectacular. The Hornet is an easy to see impact caliber. The .222 is borderline too violent in a light rifle and impact is not seen in a light .223. The .22 K-Hornet and .221 Fireball are top of the 'visual' calibers in my light-weight rifles.

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The K-Hornet has my vote for the "best" wildcat ever made. It solves all the problems of the Hornet
Just curious what problems the Hornet has the K fixes?
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Severe case stretch. OLD cartridges are sloppy in dimensions and rimmed cartridges have no real reason to have a nice chamber....unless you want to reload. Re-chambering to K gives you a more uniform SAAMI-style chamber that's easy to reload for because it headspaces on the shoulder and not the rim.
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Just curious what problems the Hornet has the K fixes?
I'm with MontyF as my Hornet will out shoot my K-hornet all day long.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:56 AM
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How much have you tried?
Most shooters don't/won't run a K-Hornet to best benefit because 'the books' don't cover it.

I'm shooting Hornady Bee, Speer 45 gr, Remington 46 gr OPHP, Winchester surplus 45 HP and 40 gr. Hornady Blitz at just over 3000fps from four K-Hornets. A fifth, an 18 in. #1B is just under that figure with the same load. I load bullets by the box without regard for separation. They all shoot 'minute of ground squirrel' and are stored in 50 cal. ammo cans.

I shot that load in three K-Hornets for more than 20 years before it was chronographed.
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I also am a serious "K" fan though I currently only have one. ( CZ 527 ) It is the reach for around the homestead. Fox, coyote, chicken hawk, skunk, most any predator other than the large long toed variety gets a sun burned belly with just one shot. My brides call of " grab the Hornet" never fails to motivate me.

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