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Best Dies for Reloading 45LC ?

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#1 ·
I am thinking about getting a set of dies for a 45 Colt pistol

Plan on loading cast Flat Nose bullets .7 to .755 long.

Any suggestions welcomed
 
#2 ·
Glad you asked that question.
Forty years ago I bought some Lyman dies, they were a bit sloppy. So I bought a seat of RCBS dies, they were better, much better, but the Lyman M-die was better then RCBS's expander die, so I had a workable set up. Then I bought a set of Redding dies, retried both sets of the other dies and hava lived happy ever after.
The Redding dies work wonderfully on my Dillon.
In a word Redding for any caliber.

Jim
 
#3 ·
Selecting a set of dies is like choosing between a Ford or Chevy as all of the major brands will do the job. Certainly, the higher priced dies will exhibit a better appearance, can arguably work better, and come with better customer service to justify the additional cost.

My preference in dies has always been RCBS as they've been in business a long, long time, have great customer service and yet, they are not the most costly of the popular brands. My set of dies for the .45 Colt is RCBS so I am naturally biased when I recommend them.

Others will undoubtably recommend other brands and in the end, it's your decision on what or what not to buy. It's a matter of personal choice as all of the major brands will do the job.
 
#6 ·
I use RCBS .454 Casull dies for my .45 Colt loads, don't know about the expander die?, my Dill0n 550 powder funnel expands the cases, I can't complain on any of the shells I've sized with the RCBS dies, whatever brand you decide on get the CARBIDE ones, they're twice the price but ten times better! and I also recommend roll crimping in a separate operation than the seating step, it can be done in the same step but the results are MUCH better with the added step.
 
#7 ·
I like the Lee Precision 4 die set - it is highly rated as are the others mentioned. I like it because in includes the factory crimp die and it is the best deal for the $$$
 
#9 · (Edited)
Great input! I have dies for rifles and did a lot of looking in the past. I have always used RSBS but knew some of you had done a lot more experimenting than I had. Plus I have never bought a set of straight walled dies.


Thanks for all the input and I will definately check out these ideas and any that follow.


Right now I am leaning toward RSBS or Redding in CARBIDE. Thanks again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But again the Lee 4 dies set with a separate crimper sounds real good too
 
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#15 ·
Another vote for the Lee Carbide 4 Die set. $70 dollars is about twice what you should pay. i got mine from MidwayUSA a few years back for under $35.

They work great whether loading 250 grain RN lead or 325 grain lead wide flat nose. Never a problem.
 
#18 ·
I use different brands of dies for different purposes, even on the same cartridge.

Anybody's carbide or Titanium Nitride pistol sizing die will work great.

Lyman and Redding have great M-type expander dies are best, especially if you use lead bullets. They have a stepped expander profile that gives you a small area that is expanded enough to start the bullet by hand, then a smaller section that is sized for proper neck tension.

Hornady has a great seating die, especially for handguns shooting lead (non-jacketed) bullets. They pull apart for cleaning while still on the press, and go back together with the previous settings for seat and/or crimp still intact. They have a sliding sleeve that helps straighten up a tilted bullet before it gets pressed into the case neck, and an optional micrometer adjustment screw. They come with two seating stems for different bullet nose profiles. And they do a great job of roll-crimping while seating the bullet.

If you want a separate roll-crimp die, the Redding Profile crimp die starts with a gentle taper, then finishes with a roll, for a nice smooth trouble-free crimp. I have a Lee carbide FCD for my 45 colt, and it is awful. The crimp ring is oversized, letting the case mouth slip by without finishing the roll crimp. To make matters worse, the inside is very rough, which puts deep scratches in the outside of the case mouth. The collet-type Lee FCDs for rifle and bottleneck pistol cartridges are a whole different design, and work great. Anybody's conventional taper crimp die works great.

Lock rings on die brands vary a lot. There are three basic types. The most common is a simple knurled or hex nut with a set screw. Lee uses an o-ring that, when under pressure, clamps down on the die threads. I like cross-bolt lock rings from Hornady or Forster, they lock securely and squarely to the die body without marring the threads. Set-screw hex rings are next best. I find Lee lock rings particularly worthless. They only keep the setting on the die if you remember EVERY TIME to remove the die from the press by the lock ring, not the die body. And once the die is out of the press, the Lee o-ring is no longer compressed and does not hold the lock ring firmly in place anyway. Give me a firmly locked ring that will not move unless I loosen the set screw or cross-bolt, in or out of the press.

Don't overlook the other details on the dies. Good fit and finish, at least in the right places, gives you more consistent results, and allows smoother operation which lets you know if something is wrong as you are doing it (something doesn't "feel" right). In my experience, Lee dies have consistently poorer fit and finish, especially on the inside where it counts, than other brands of dies. That said, occasionally all brands will let a stinker out the door.

If I had to choose one brand for the entire pistol die set, it would be Hornady for the great seater die and lock rings, and reasonable price.

Andy
 
#19 · (Edited)
IME, Hornady makes some really nice dies as does Redding but RCBS is usually my first choice in terms of quality, price, and customer service. But RCBS does not have the best dies for .44 WCF as there isn't enough support for the bullet during seating so bullets can be seated out of alignment with the case axis resulting in chambering difficulties. For .44 WCF, I prefer to use the Hornady Custom Grade New Dimension die set with it's sliding sleeve bullet guide in the seater die which costs a bit more than the RCBS but does a much better job of bullet alignment. Would like to pass that on to anyone reloading for the .44 WCF.

Appreciate the fine report, Andy! Thanks!
 
#21 · (Edited)
Thanks all I can live without the best dies out there - but thanks for mentioning Redding.

Andy Thanks alot!!!! You have changed my mind. Is there any difference in Hornardy die sets and do you think I should add a 4th die? I do not need competion accuracy. I might use a progressive reloading press and I need a special die to load powder, right? Yes I am a novice at progressive reloading presss allso.

I plan on practicing most with 45 Colt flat point cast bullets andd use them only as a back-up. and not a hunting round. Plus, I want to carry a couple of jacketed Hornady FTX® plastic tipped 225 gr fas a dispach round - the tipped bullet since it will allow quick identification. What do you think is the lowest safe load with Unique or TrailBoss for the 225 gr Hornardy?


Hornardy dies seem to be the best choice for both bullets.
 
#24 · (Edited)
. . . I may go to the RCBS 'Cowboy" 45 Colt die set ...<O:p

For no apparent reason<O:p
If you're satisfied with the "standard" RCBS .45 Colt dies, would suggest you rethink purchasing their "Cowboy" dies in the same caliber.

Other than the cosmetics (brass locking rings, casehardened die bodies, and special packaging) they offer nothing that the "standard" die set can't do and at a lower price.

As you say, "for no apparent reason".

If I were in your position, I would divert those funds towards something you don't already have. Just my dos centavos, YMMV.
 
#26 ·
Thanks for the info...So I guess i will sink my money into componets...
Glad to hear that you'll at least give it some thought as my personal opinion of RCBS's cowboy dies is it's a gimmick to appeal to the cowboy shooters and that the die set will not function any better than their standard dies. If I'm wrong, somebody set me straight. Seeing that you already have a set of dies for .45 Colt, I'd hate to see you buy another die set if only for the cowboy cosmetics. If money is no object, then go for it but as most of us are affected by the recession, you could put those funds towards something you don't already have and be better off doing so.

I made an alteration to my .45 Colt die set which may be of interest to you. RCBS cut me a seater plug which replaces the stock plug in the seater die to match the profile of my favorite bullet giving me more accurate seating of the bullet. In effect, a customized seater die. They needed three sample bullets from me to cut the plug. The cost at the time was about $17. If you're interested, contact them and ask if they still offer this service. Best wishes.
 
#28 ·
I don't load jacketed bullets in 45 colt, so I can't answer your load questions. Hodgdon has load data on their website.

I wouldn't bother with the 4th die unless I had a progressive with room for a separate crimping die. I have the 454 casul Hornady 4 die set and it works great for 45 colt, and includes the taper crimp die.
 
#30 ·
I had a set of Lee dies for the .45 Colt, as I liked the "powder through expander" feature. However, it didn't work well for my loads. I sold those dies and got a set of RCBS carbide dies, changed the lock rings and lived happily ever after.


I would have also been happy with Redding, as I have several sets for my bottle neck rifle rounds, but the RCBS do just fine.