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Lead bullet loading data for 32 Winchester Special

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#1 ·
I want to reload 32 Winchester Special ammo for my dad's Model 55 Winchester built in the 1920s and my Model 94 built in the 1960s.
Since his gun is nearing 100 years old, I would like to be kind to it and load with lighter loads with lead bullets.
My problem is that finding data for lead bullets for the 32 WS in most current load books is almost non-existent.
There is data for jacketed but very little current data for lead.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, is it possible (safe) to use jacketed data for lead bullets.
Any help would be appreciated
 
#2 ·
I've had, for a few years now, a Model 94 in 32 Spec. made in the 50's that I've yet to load for. I bought the dies and a bunch of coated cast bullets (don't have a mold in that cal.).
There is quite a bit online if you 'Google' it, as an example HERE. I'll have to check my Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, I'm pretty sure it is in there.
 
#3 ·
Lyman #51 has data for a 165 grain bullet.
I don't have the cast bullet book.


 
#4 ·
#5 ·
Thanks for all the suggestions. I have Richard Lee's "Modern Reloading" second edition and Speer's "Reloading Manual No. 11" and they both only have one load listed, which is for a jacketed bullet. The Lyman 51 does have a cast bullet load but only one. I am in the process of looking for a Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook. Hopefully, it will have more than one load option. I am also looking online for older manuals that will have more options. My concern with the older manuals are the availability of the powders listed and the difference in the powder's formulations from when they were written to now.
 
#7 ·
Most of the powders in the manuals from the 50's forward are still available. Of course not all them are but just about all the IMR and H series powders are. I just briefly flipped through 3 books, Lyman's 3rd, Lyman's cast bullet manual from 1958 and RCBS cast bullet manual. Combined there is well over 50 loads, several are duplicates I am certain. Among them was enough powders still in manufacture to keep a fella busy for a long time, from fast powder/reduced loads to IMR's 3031, 4227, 4198 and probably others.

I KNOW there is loads in Phil Sharpe's manual from 1939 for the 32 WSp. that are still completely viable.

Sure the formulations have changed on some. The data can still be used as a point of reference. You should be starting at the minimum and working up anyway. I have NEVER experienced any pressure excursions with data, old or new, by doing so.

A lot of crap is put out today by folks who might mean well but evidently believes every participant of handloading is incapable of critical thought.
 
#9 ·
Take your pick. 2nd book down.


Or, RCBS, 1st book.

 
#10 ·
To the OP:

There is some misleading info being repeated here, that needs corrected.

Since the 1950's, not some of the formulations have changed; they ALL have. Many, have changed multiple times.
The most recent formulation changes, and complete destruction of facilities and process changes to multiple facilities, across multiple continents. If you'd like to delve into it, it's been discussed a few times on the forum.

Whether or not that affects data for any particular cartridge, is left to cartridge specific pressure testing to determine.
If you didn't know this already, burning rate charts are not nearly as informative as many would like to believe.
Burning rates change based upon(among other things) operating pressures, and case capacities. Burning rate charts are partially tested, and partially estimated; bassed upon a single charge in a single case, with every powder.
The relative differences in that setting, is how they get ranked.

Specifically for your limitations for a starting point,
A program such as QL, may be useful for giving you some direction.


Cheers
 
#11 · (Edited)
CAUTION: This post discusses experimental load suggestions that either are not published anywhere or have not been properly tested for safety and may exceed published pressure maximums for the cartridge(s) mentioned. Neither the writer, The Shooter's Forum, nor the staff of The Shooter's Forum assumes any liability for damage or injury resulting from using this information. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DUPLICATE THE DESCRIBED LOADS without first working them up while watching for pressure signs. If you don't know how to do that, don't try.

H&N makes a 148-grain .321" truncated cone HS coated bullet you could launch with 8 or 9 grains of Unique and probably not have to think about it much. A plinking and very small game load, to be sure, but fun in a rifle you don't want to subject to normal stresses for the caliber.

Lyman #3 Cast Bullet Handbook has load data for three obsolete Lyman mold numbers for 137, 164, and 184-grain bullets cast of #2 Alloy. #4 has loads for a 170-grain RCBS mold cast of Lintotype.