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Winchester 94 Rebounding Hammer

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#1 ·
I have two BB Winchester 1894s, one in 356 and the other in 307. No cross-bolt safeties and as far as I can tell no rebounding hammers, however they are both Angle Eject.

I have read on other messages that have stated that the Angle Eject came before the rebounding hammer and therefore my rifles should have rebounding hammers.

That said both hammers lay flat against the firing pin after the trigger is pulled and both hammers have the "half-cock" safety. Are these rebounding or regular hammers?

I purchased these rifles from different stores at different times, so it seems unlikely that they were both altered.

Ideas???
 
#2 ·
You do not have rebounding hammers. If you re-read what you just wrote you would have answered your own question.

You said that the angle eject came BEFORE the rebounding hammer, and yours is angle eject. Means you have the ones that came out before the rebounding hammers.
 
#3 ·
Sorry, I typed it wrong. The following is what I've heard:

Here is a little 94AE time line posted over at Leverguns.com forum by DLS:

Rebounding hammer introduced 1981
Angle Eject introduced 1983
.45 Colt introduced 1985
Crossbolt safety introduced 1992
Tang safety introduced 2004

So again, the question remains. Did the rebounding hammer come before the AE? Was this only the case for the regular 1894s and not the Big Bore Models?
 
#4 ·
Tahoe said:
Sorry, I typed it wrong. The following is what I've heard:

Here is a little 94AE time line posted over at Leverguns.com forum by DLS:

Rebounding hammer introduced 1981
Angle Eject introduced 1983
.45 Colt introduced 1985
Crossbolt safety introduced 1992
Tang safety introduced 2004

So again, the question remains. Did the rebounding hammer come before the AE? Was this only the case for the regular 1894s and not the Big Bore Models?

I am not sure about those dates, but I do remember that the angle eject came before the rebounding hammer.
 
#7 · (Edited)
shdwlkr said:
big bores came out in 1978/1979
angle eject came out in 1983/1984
angle eject for big bores came out in 1985
rebounding hammer on model 94 1990
I just got off the phone with winchester hopes this clears up the issue

A very interesting question. My .307 Angle Eject Big Bore rifle is the second generation rifle, Pre Safety, with in-line screw holes for the forward scope mount base. This rifle has the low stock comb and the rebounding hammer.
My father had two early first generation Big Bore rifles with the angled screw holes for the forward scope mount base. He let the .307 get away from him but still has the .356. His .356 does not have the rebound hammer.
I went back and looked at what may be the first road test of the Angle Eject rifles written by Edward A. Matunas for the November 1983 issue of the American Rifleman. There was no mention of the rebounding hammer.
Next I looked at the Rick Jamison write up for the November 1983 issue of Shooting Times magazine. Again, while there is a mention of how excessively heavy the trigger pull was, there is no mention of the rebounding hammer.
Layne Simpson followed up with a review of the .307 Angle Eject rifle in the 1984 Edition of the Gun Digest and again there is no mention of the rebounding hammer.
The rifles pictured in all three of these articles appear to have the angled screws for the forward scope mount base Very difficult to tell about the rifle that Simpson tested.
Ken Waters in his first .307 Pet Loads article made no mention of the rebounding hammer.
It may be that none of the writers wanted to mention the change to the rebound hammer when it came about. In 1990 we begin seeing mention of the rebounding hammer but no one was making a big deal of it. With the advent of the cross bolt safety, Big Time gun writers such as Al Miller of Rifle magazine began attempting to justify the need for the abomination. Only after the rather vocal negative reaction from us, the consumers, did the mainstream gun writers join the chorus for the removal of this unnecessary and sometimes dangerous safety device.

There is little doubt that Marlin began to make its first serious challenge to Winchester with the advent of the rebounding hammer and then, the addition of the cross bolt safety with the large divot in the right side receiver wall.
Marlin was very astute in leaving the half cock safety notch and in keeping the cross bolt safety as unobtrusive as possible. Marlin then took the brilliant step of starting the Marlin Talk Board as a method of sampling the pulse of the consumer and in generating a cult following for their products. Marlin management was far and away more professional and aware of the consumers wants than the ignorant and arrogant Winchester management of the same time frame.
 
#11 ·
I forgot to put the cross bolt safety date which was 1992
I don't have a winchester with the stupid thing or the rebounding hammer and don't plan on having any.
I have 5 levers all winchester and now I may have to add Cimmarron for the two calibers that I am missing and accept what ever they have as winchester is history and I won't pay 3 times what a 94 should cost just to have a winchester and 3 rifles instead of one.
 
#13 ·
Well, I don't know a lot of specifics, but I had a Model 94 30-30 purchased in the middle 80's and it had angle eject AND rebounding hammer, but no crossbolt safety. I know that doesn't clear anything up for the original poster, but the rebounding hammer was introduced (at least on some models) before 1990. This was a standard carbine with uncheckered walnut stock. Heck of a fine shooter, too. I did very well in the postal match a few years ago w/that rifle!
 
#15 ·
shdwlkr said:
big bores came out in 1978/1979
angle eject came out in 1983/1984
angle eject for big bores came out in 1985
rebounding hammer on model 94 1990
cross bolt safety date which was 1992
I just got off the phone with winchester hopes this clears up the issue
With this in mind, I have on the way to me a Win 94 Big Bore in 444 Marlin, not a Timber Carbine. It has angle eject and a CBS. It looks like I can count on it having a rebounding hammer as well.

Can I replace the rebounding hammer with a standard hammer?

Is there a "fix" available for the CBS like for the Marlin's (replace with a screw).?

What year did they start producing in 444 Marlin?

Thanks for your help,

David